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    Posted: 18 July 2007 at 10:00am

Hi there,

 

Just wondering if members are going to get any news about what is happening with regard to the trust? ie developements at Poole etc. Also although not directly anything to do with the trust I know, any news on progress with the S130?, just that I was reading a very good book yesterday about the e-boats, written in 1980, with some great photos of S and R boats, called "E boats and coastal craft", will get more details if interested. I know some do not like the idea of restoring such a craft, I can see why, but if done in the right context I personally do not have problem. Anyway, look forward to hearing anything in due course.

 

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*Soap box mode*

Sod the context, I think examples of every vessel should be saved regardless of its original nationality or type. Weather it’s a bloody concrete barge or a ship of the line.

No one has the right to say what should and shouldn’t be saved, at the end of the day tastes and opinions change from generation to generation. If we just selectively save the vessels that mater to us now, then we are effectively committing ethnic cleansing on a maritime scale!

As for the S130, well it’s a dam nice vessel. Saying we should not save her is like saying that foreigners should go home. Narrow minded and bigoted. Dam she’s probably spent longer in this country than I have!!

If the old blokes who fought each other can shake hands over the trenches then I recon that vessels from both sides should be able to rest at a mooring side by side.

Using the machines of war to teach peace is a noble cause worthy of any hero.

And if the people of the historic ship register are reading this can you please include a new subsection for foreign vessel that have ended up on our shores so that they can get help and recognition to be saved. Stop the maritime cleansing.

Billy Stead.

*Rant over*



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Better than ethnic cleansing on a HUMAN scale.
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Hi,

Ah, well, OK I was not quite wanting to stir such feelings! agree that people are more important than things! but apart from that, just saying it would be good to save more of our marine heritage.

 

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I have no problem with ethnic cleansing on a 'HUMAN scale'. Start with all the blond and blue eyed 6ft tall types.



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Gentlemen,

The trust news letter due out before the end of the month.

S130 belongs to EISCA now, and needs about 4 Million pounds worth of restoration.

 

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I know it has been said before but give me 4 million quid and i'll build you a new one using some old wood from the other one!
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Hi Pathfinder,

Many thanks for that, look forward to the newsletter. Understand S130 not on the trust books now, but good initial effort to keep her in one piece, 4 million! well, would love to see the breakdown on where the money is going! she is just a hull I know, thus is it in very poor condition ie needs a lot of complicated and thus exspensive repair I guess.

 

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over the past few day's I have been looking at the comments on the site and I have to say the word's "ethnic cleansing" were inappropriate when just talking about boat's, the  reality is that you are unlikely to be able to save boat's which are effectivley just hulk's, it is just not practicable and some member's really need a reality check if they think it is possible, the best chance of saving a boat is a one that has been lived on like Sungo, even then to put them back into as they were is not within the most people's personel budget bearing in mind the apparent costing of S130 at 4million, Shame about 506 but we all have to learn the hard way we are after all only human. mind you 4Million would go a long way in saving a number of boat's like Clives rather than just one boat. Does the British in B.M.P.T mean British built or does it mean Country?

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What I meant was that a boat should not be dismissed from saving simply because it does not fit into a pigeon hole. I was by no means stating that every boat should be saved, perhaps just the best of each class. E.G “examples of every vessel “

However If the last of a particular class is a hulk then every effort should be made to save it.

Re my use of the term ‘Ethnic cleansing’. I would be interested in why you think my use of the term was inappropriate. I’m not looking for an argument you understand, I just wish to understand your point of view. If I have caused offence I will be the first to apologise.

I have always assumed that the B.M.P.T. referred to the trust having an interest in vessels built by the British Military Powerboat Co. during the war. Though I believe the trust was involved with vessels that were not even British (e.g S130) never mind built by one specific company.

So put simply the British doesn’t refer to anything other than the name of the original company.

If I am wrong I’m sure I will be corrected.

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