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Re the Balloch boat, I've uploaded some photos  of her sent to me by Jim.

http://www.rania.co.uk/BallochST




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Hi JSW

Glad to have someone on my side here, the other clincher is that the G&G builds had their cutless bearings fitted externally and the JSWs internally, from Don's "ST" gallery you can make out the external bearing housings, interestingly also the rudders which are certainly not BPB if original.The G&G GA drawing unfortunatley does not show the lie of the planking, but if you look at the Blue Peter picture she has the same planking direction and she is a G&G build. As you say, the fact that she was triple shafted and 48ft are of prime importance, but I do wonder if that length includes the subsequently added bathing platform, as the yard owner would certainly include that as part of the LOA for billing purposes.If the platform accounts for 2 1/2ft she could possibly be a BPB Bird Class, I am at a loss to think which other wartime BPB she could conceivably be. I think it is sadly unlikely although it would be great if she were a Bird Class, the very last one is on the public hard at Shoreham awaiting breaking-up (Regulus ex Hawk). 

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Hi, Andys .

Re the Balloch boat. . Im looking for something that cam be used as a tool store and possibly accommodation in the short term while I work on Pinnace 1262 at Irving. As for knowing these boats, well I guess I will happily say that I wont turn away advice.

If the Bolloch boat can be made watertight in a few weeks/months of full time work then I will happily take her on depending on price.

The pictures in dgrayís post would suggest considerable deck work required to make her safe. How long do you think it would take to make her hull safe to move under her own power, (I f possible at all) ignoring the inside and running gear?

There will plenty of time once she is at Irving to do further repairs.

Iím not concerned about her interior, its either that or a static caravan or possibly sleeping in the back of my van while working on the Pinnace 1262.

Iím a mechanic and welder and by trade , So id expect to be able to sort the engines quite easily. So all being well and if not to much work is required on the hull I would believe that id have her shifted from the yard quite quickly.

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Hi northeastuser

Best be careful how to spell Balloch...

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hi, re zeta. i know the owner of this vessel & he has no knowledge of it sinking. it is at present moored at the river hamble ( due to be moved hopefully to ramsgate around december) & he was contacted by the boatyard very recentlyto see what was happening to it as he had not contacted for a while due to hospitalisation, as i say, no mention was made then or since about anything untoward happening. in fact they mentioned as he intended moving it, did he want the engines serviced. he was quite supprised when i told him what id just read. can anyone confirm what is going on. the information he has on the boat is that it has had major restoration in 2001 & was due to go to the bpb museum but got sold instead.

cheers, graham

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mmm  Your right it is Balloch .
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Hi, Graham, Re. Zeta when were you last in contact with owner? The boatyard has been in contact with the owner and or his family very recently. regards David
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Just a small question...
 when were the propeller's counted?
From my recollection there are only 2.

I am working from recollection, but the I seem to remember that the construction suggested to me that she was pre-war, probably mid thirties, but I am not particularly familiar with the Darby Winners, so it could be a re-engined candidate.

Has anyone actually measured her?

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I think that she would be quite good for that and have enough space.
The easiest way to shift her would be to build a shipping cradle under her and then truck her. It would be much quicker and more guaranteed than trying the marine route. It is also a lot easier and cheaper than you think. After all you will still need to negotiate the barrage at Balloch and then the tidal shoals of the River Leven which are not charted or maintain, despite the plans of British Waterways. it is now normal to truck out from Balloch. There are several local companies who know what they are doing on that front. I can give you some pointers if you would like to look at going that route.

What is the plan with Pinnace 1262? There is a lot to do to even get her to look the part, let alone to get her straightened out and structurally sound... Good luck.

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I think the boat has to float out as I seem to remember Jim saying that trucks cannot get to that marina now.


I also heard that in Scottish law that it takes 7 years before then boat can be considered  abandoned and  disposed of by the yard.


I apologise for the poor quality of the images below but I think the Derby class ( bottom image) is a lot beamier than the Balloch boat (top).






I add a small photo of my little boat as a comparision. There seems to be a design similarity to the Balloch boat if you look at the flare of the hull.







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Posted: 04 August 2006 at 7:17pm | IP Logged Report Post Quote Jim

Hi AndyS

"The Hull, He said has a position for a Third Prop in the hull floor,

He Thinks she was a ST or a Navy Launch of some kind, he gave me pictures of her when he had her.

I will scan and post!

Regards

Jim!."

Re number of props as quoted by Jim on page one of this topic.

Don, the answer is that there simply weren't any 48ft Seaplane Tenders I'm afraid. The beam looks about right for a DWC, the closer you get with a camera lens the more the image will distort, your picture in the slings has been taken from a much greater distance away than the recent bow-on view taken at Balloch.

Regards,Christian. 

 



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