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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote graham01 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 June 2009 at 7:43am
HI again
 
Unfortunately due to a personal problem I do not have a lot of time today (Then again am I allowed to have a personal problem without printing a itinerary of my movements and whereabouts?) but in a quick reply I will say the following:
 
As for confidentiality, That unfortunately makes me laugh with what has been said and going on, I would love to know who is supposed to of told you the information you have placed here but doubt I will be let in on that side, Although I can guess.
 
As for the supposed deposit, seeing as this is financial and supposed to be private I am saying no more. You and others can speculate what you wish regarding this.
 
And yes I had gone quiet for the last couple of weeks and may do so for the next weeks ahead. I did not reallies I also had to account here as well as other places. In fact the only people I need account to is people involved in the project, And as no one here as far as I am aware is involved in it, I see no reason to let anyone here know what I or the society is doing.
 
As for the funding issue, Thank you for that lesson I wondered what the difference was ? but as you so correctly say it is nothing to do with you or anyone here.
 
If you are fishing to see who the backers are, I can tell you there is four people who know and the backers of course. They are well informed of what is gibing on and in full communication with people who need to know. Emphasis on the point need to know.
 
 
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote northeastuser Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 June 2009 at 10:19am
The information came from captain Hardcastle. The conditions of sale were verbal and the sugestion that contracts had been signed were via email.As I have said it was the way I undertstood the situation. 
 There is nothing private about the deposit and conditions of sale as they are public knowledge. you only have to ask.
 regarding privacy, you are forgetting one thing. this is a public vessel. it was given by the goverment for preservation. It is a public matter what happens to this vessel.
  charitable funding is generaly given to public bodies. and for a specific agenda.it would take some skilled negotiation to transfer funding from one project to another.
  To say that you have private backers would imply that the vessel is going into private hands.
 I have no interest in who the backers are. I only wish to know if the vessel is being preserved for the public or going into private ownership (wether that orginization is 'not for profit' or intent on making a profit is not the point) I want to (and have a right) know if it is a private ownership of a public vessel.
sorry if you dont agree but this is a national matter and we ALL have a need to know.
  As a person who faced closed ranks and secrecy over the kellington i see your quite able to do the same when you wish.
 If you have nothing to hide, then why hide it?
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Hi

 
Sorry for delay in replying.
Thanks for clearing up my questions,
 
In reply to your questions or comments, yes indeed charitable funding is usually given to public bodies on conditions of various arrangements, Time constraints and spend etc. Our backers all have a region to which they have a interest in the vessel not commercial but a restoration interest. They nor myself is going to make any money out of any activity the ship does now or in the future. We have not made any money in fact it has cost money. I could show all bills here as you say I have nothing to hide.
 
One thing that does interest me is you accuse me of been secretive, yet you yourself with others have also applied for the Bronington, could this be why you asked for a copy of the survey report without telling the truth as to why you wanted it? it certainly does make things easier and a lot cheaper for you doesn't it.
 
OK so lets get it clear, we are signing the agreement and contract for the vessel regardless of what you may of heard from others. (this has already been discussed and approved by Peel docks last week) We will be restoring the ship to sea worthy condition, it will be used for training and apprenticeships . No it will not be a profit making ship in any way. The courses for the training are free. (This obviously has conditions which is same as any educational conditions at the moment to any establishment). The ship is not been restored by any grants or public money from funds such as lottery, council, government or charities. It is pure business donations from people we have worked with in the past over the last 20 years or so.
 
Materials are sourced from local companies where possible and the apprenticeship scheme is for local people resident near the vessel and head office of the ships society.
 
The new web site which is due to go live next week is run by a media company who have donated there time and space for the project. It is also linked to a TV media company who are covering the whole project from start to finish.
 
As to where the ship will be berthed is still under discussion with several places, all of which have shown a great interest in the project and outcome.
 
I have nothing to hide and people only have to ask.  NOW exactly what is your plans?
 
Graham
 
 
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Graham,

Is it intended to restore Bronington with her original engines or to use a less fragile alternative? If the former, what mark of Deltics are currently fitted and have you located a source of spares etc?

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Hi Gareth
 
At the moment it is anticipated we will use the original engines as the initial inspection is good. In answer to your second part, Not sure myself on what type of engines they are but our engineering manager will be able to assist in this one, As for spares yes we are informed by a few people they do have spares for the engines. We are also able to replace engines with original ones which have been restored and are in storage down south.
 
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hello all i have been watching this post with some interest, i presume that your Deltics are runners Graham and have been turned over on a regularly basis, i also presume you have the pre start routine at hand, as these engines are very very temeramental. you also mention that you have spare engines at hand, i hope these are not of the train type as they would not fit into the sweepers, however it would be a first having a train engine in a ship what ?.
 
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I think sugesting that i was lying is a little bit hash graham.
 You and i were talking about the bron's hull framing and bolts( perhaps you were conserned that the bolts ould just snap due to fatigue). Its  bit hard for me to give an opinion (even a laymans opinion) without access to tha facts. You were quite happy to send me the survey.
  Unfortunatly you 'droped off tha radar' for two weeks. Experiance has shown that vessels just get cut up without notice. So a group of people I know decided to put a letter into liverpool basicaly saying that they woul like to be considered if you pull out. And yes I put my name to it.
   This at the very least would have given her a stay of execution if the worst came to the worst. nothing nasty in that and 'we' are not in a competition.
   I would have hoped that if you had decided to pull out that you would have given as much help as possible to another group willing to try.
   But that would have been your choice of course.
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"I have nothing to hide and people only have to ask."

  A bold statement graham. With your permision I'd like to ask a few questions.

 

 1/ what is the name of the organization that will take ownership of the Bronington?

 2/ what legal format does the orginization take. eg limted company, charity etc ?

 3/ Is the organization asset locked or will the Broninton be the private property/asset of the directors?

 4/ Will the public have a means of joining the orginization to show support and or be involved?

5/Will the public have acess to the Bronnington

6/ Is the funding be from the uk or abroad?

7/ Is the funding controlled or yours to do as you wish?

8/ If the Bronnington is to belong to the directors of a private company (eg going from a public asset to a private one) will you be dropping your complaint to the charities commission over the same happening to the kellington?

9/ your new website..will it still be claiming that you own The Egeria?
The youtube videos of the Bron have some curious comments. While I don't agree with the posters tone I do think he/she has a point. I have spoken to the real owner of the Egeria and he confirms what the poster has said.


Edited by northeastuser - 10 June 2009 at 11:08am
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would be strange to see a MineHunter running train Deltics


mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote muffdiver Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2009 at 7:43pm
well well
Has the man who wants to put train engines into a minesweeper lost his puff ?.
Doe's he work for British Rail ?
I think the questions asked by Northeastuser are quite valid and should be answered.
I await with anticipation.
 
regards
 
Charlie
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