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 Hey again,

 Bet your sick of me ny now;-)

 Sent off registration to the historic ships register as this may help secure funding, pls fill in gaps my sketchy memory ommited.

 Also applied for lottery grant to save her but by what they said about processing times it would only help if she was safe when the money came, up to 9mths & winter here.

 If i cant get ownership i'll chuck in my 200 to anyone who can and spend a few days digging her out ect.

 Working on poss storage. That offer still stand Dave? Rather store her with enthusiasts than m8's as it always speeds things up.

 Want to try & get down this week as, for the great quality of Dons pics its not the same as being there and giving it the old hairy eyeball to find the best way of saving her.

 Prob right that if she somehow survives this winter she wont survive the next.

 Time to act amigo's

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Look at the pic of her from the port bow!

 Anyone who doesnt see a beautiful boat under the algae & sea critters probably has no soul. classic coke bottle lines and a work of art. Heard rumour 67 camaro was based on whaleback deck but rumours cant be proven. makes you think tho!

 My photoshop playing up so cant import pic but im sure if your reading this then you know what i mean

 One of the last 'spitfires of the sea' Who's with me for saving this one?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AndyS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 November 2006 at 6:40am
Just adding on from the suggestions above :-
1) Try to avoid all the bouyancy directly under the deck. These are fairly lightly atached in the this design and will rely on 65 year old glued connections at the deck brackets. If possible lift from the bearer structure in the bottom of the hull.
2) Remove as much mud as possible before moving. The wet mud can easily weigh much more than the basic hull weight and makes moving and lifting much more difficult.
3) There are previous notes on lifting and handling, strong points can be a problem on these boats so add internal bracing as required and spread out the loads over as many points as possible.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote northeastuser Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 November 2006 at 11:03am

I would have thought that Putting this boat on the historic register and applying for any sort of funding will only make it harder to separate her from the owner. At the moment she is just a debt to him. Make her valuable and he may suddenly appear and claim her. Bit of a bummer if he does it after you have moved her E.G. separated her from the boat yard and the debt.

Don’t give him a reason to hang onto her, let her rot until he wants rid of her.

The expression killing her with kindness springs to mind. The husbands shipyard sheds are a prime example of someone trying to make some thing valuable but annoying the owner instead.

There are ways to ‘persuade’ him to part with her. I would have thought making her more valuable is not one of them. If you do get legal ownership I will happily help.

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After talking to Clarks boatyard previously I believe they want her moved.

I would suggest that you need someone on deck as the tide comes I to try and see if she fills up at the same rate as the tide comes in. If she fills up slower than the tide comes in then you have a chance to float her quite cheaply.

All it will take is some heavy duty pumps to slow the rate of flood enough for her to lift off the mud slightly. This will enable you to slide a large tarpaulin under her and regain a fully waterproof hull. A lot of work will probably have to be done tracking down water ingress points and sealing them first. And perhaps a high power jet wash pushed under the hull to loosen the grip of the mud. She looks like she has had tarps on her hull already at some point in her life. Go with what worked.

This will probably allow you to re-float her for a few hundred pounds, but again I would not even try without full legal ownership.

If the previous owner has access to this forum then all we are doing here is pushing the price up in his mind.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote trevera25 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 November 2006 at 11:29am

Don

I think we need to make sure everyone has a true perspective on this so can you repeat your post from the survey , to all others , yes I do have space on dry land where she can be stored while funds and manpower are found , and yes I do have a barn where there is power and light so if we can get her moved here there will not be any charges for storage and when work starts she can be moved inside so we can all be dry . But please make sure we all know how much work is involved . Ownership needs to be dealt with so good idea there . If it can be transferred to somebody elses name , why not make it joint names of all those involved . 



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dgray Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 November 2006 at 2:38pm

Hi  All,

The survey is below. THe surveyor is right about the hull timber. They decks and frames seemed good though. Keel and chine seemed 'sound'.  Would need a cradle to lift.  Might be better to have her hull 'made good' and  epoxy sheathed.   I know some might hate that idea but whatever saves her.

Re Ownership:  I sent 2 letters to the owner  but no reply.  I've been told that all Clarkes would have to do is advertise in local paper and send a letter to owner and they are entitled to sell her in lieu of moorings.

I do think that getting Clarkes to move her might be worth considering - if they were willing. Get them to build a cradle for her and get her ready to float.   I've got a 3" pump that I'd be happy to lend to any enterprise.

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Suyvey:

With all this mud around it was difficult to get at bottom or chine timbers – too much mud (at least 100 mm deep in the bilges), too slippy and nothing to hold onto. However, the timbers above the mud that I could get to were hard and did not easily take my spike, so I don’t think there’s too much in the way of rot. The metal stringer clamps (see photos) are sound too and all would be salvageable, I think.
 

Hull planking was shot with many holes apparent and with the oiled canvas interlayer exposed in a number of places where the inner layer has fallen away. So you would not be replacing just a few double diagonals – you would need to replace the lot.

Deck was pretty much the same – double diagonals covered in Cascover (a type of fibreglass sheathing). It would all need replacing, along with the superstructure hatches and coamings.

The bulkheads would need replacing, there’s no strength left in them.

 

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Hello All,

 

Just been reading all the above, all very sound advice if I may say so, the key as discussed is legal ownership, the method described of contacting last owner by Registered letter I believe, then advertising in local press, should cover the yard to sieze her in luie of berthing fees, something my company dose from time to time, then vessel can be sold for the fees owing, any excess to the former owner. However, from experience of MQ, we bought from the reciever and owner had a chance to return upto seven years later and claim her, however they would have to pay for any works done to her, this has not happend of course and we are now well clear. Not sure if this would apply if taken by a boatyard and sold by them for debt. Clearly, I am in the "little knowledge and danger catergorary" we had a tame solicitor who was very good, to the point, do be carefull and can make very sure of the legal side of things, I have spoken before about the state of this vessel, and GG for example, so long as you are aware of this, it may be, should I say, will be one hell of a job but... see posts with Medusa, and of Asco etc, it can be done but a tremendous effort and struggle.

 

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Hi John,

Fair point. A mate of mine is a QC. I'll ask but I imagine this maritime law is quite specialised.

Re the owner. I repost my earlier message about previopus owner.  The Manager of Clarkes boatyard reckonbed this is the chap.  I sent a letter to him but no reply.   I can resend as a registered letter.

 

 Anyone within door knocking range of  Burnham-On-Crouch or got a local phone book?

Regards, Don

I believe the owner is  a Mr L (Lewis) Crump of 43 Chapel Road Burnham-On-Crouch Essex CM0 8JD.  

Does anyone have a local phonebook who could find me the number? 

It may be ex-directory of course...  Mind you, they've just applied for a Single Storey Rear Extension in May 2006 so they must still live there.   Amazing what you can find on the internet.....

If a number cannot be found, I'll try writing a letter (if I can remember how).

If anyone else would like to help in any way, please feel free to join in...


 

 

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Hi Don,

 

Well, you certainly seem have things under control, the QC could be helpfull, if he dose not know, may be he knows a man who dose. I can't help with the phone book etc although closer than most I guess, sorry about that, 

 

John

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