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MA/SB 32 will shortly be on the market for 50k,thought I'd let forum users know beforehand as dad will prefer to sell to an enthusiast and may take offers.Message them to me.
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Her history in pictures now edited into post 1.
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Christain

Do you have any performance records for her in her current configuration, eg discplacement (or draft fore and aft), power (at engine or shaft, revs and measured speed? Also what gear boxes and props are fitted? Is it on original shaft and  P-Brackets?

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Hi Andy

Her new 2725 6-cyl diesels are normally aspirated giving 136hp @ 2600rpm with 385Nm torque.She has new 2.5:1 boxes and the original 25 x 21 props on the original outer shafts.She does about 12kts as is,and would likely do 14kts by changing the props to 24 x 24.She is absurdly light for a 63ft boat,probably about 15-20 tons,you will likely come up with a more accurate figure if you study the pictures of her and extrapolate the current draught from them by comparing her service weight to her service waterline,and her current weight to her current waterline.

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Christian

Would you be able to measure the freeboard from the bow and transom from the top of the deck to the waterline, and estimate the deck thickness. This would let me calculate a displacement and centre of gravity. Also if the original props are still fitted then there may be BPBCo number rand I might be able to identify them.

Over time I would like to fill in some bits of the performance curves for the BPBCo vessels, especially as they are not operated at full load, full power and with the restrictors off as in service. Also many of the claims made for a lot of these boats is rather unreliable as it is seldom backed up with accurate measurements and a trials weight / condition, so I am trying to slowly fill some gaps in, when I get time!

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Hi Andy

Her weight is apparently more like 12-15tons,will measure freeboard on Wednesday and let you know.

Regards,Christian.

p.s.price was dropped to 35k to accomodate a buyer's budget as it then was,but as no deposit has since been received she is essentially still on the market.

p.p.s.she is the last seaworthy Whaleback in Europe at the moment.



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Hi Andy

Measurements are:

sea level to flat bearing surface of (original) bow fitting 1.92m

sea level to deck on transom centreline 1.37m 

Deck has 3/4" marine ply over original timbers,bow fitting rests at original height but additional 19mm to be subtracted from figure aft. 



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I purchased Fervent on 31st March 1966 from Penton Hook Yach Basin, Staines Lane, Chertsey, Surrey for 3,750 pounds sterling. I subsequently sailed her to Gibraltar with my wife Margaret, Son John 5, and daughters Angela 4 and Libby 3 on board for the whole, somewhat eventful, journey.

For those interested, there is an article, with six photos, of S32 "in action" on page 139 of the June 1942 edition of The Motorboat and Yachting.

There were two versions of this "Short Whaleback". One for the Royal Navy powered by two Marine Rolls-Royce Merlins of 1,100 bhp each and the other for the Royal Air Force powered by three Napier Sea-Lion engines of 500 bhp each. Six were built for the Navy in 1940 which served as MGBs sometimes working with the RAF as ASRs. Up to eighty were built for the RAF. The designed speed with the three Napier Sea-Lions was 36.5 knots at 2,450 rpm. (Fervent was fitted with three Perkins S6Ms with 2:1 reduction gearboxes swinging 23.5 x 23 inch props)

I registered Fervent with Lloyds and carved her number into the deck beam immediately above the forward companion way. My son John, daughter Angela and I flew to Malaga in November 2005, hired a car and drove to Gibraltar where we spent the day with Christian's father Hector looking over 32. The deck beam on which I had carved Fervent's number had been cut away. I have several photos of Fervent under way and at anchor.

I thoroughly recommend the book Fast Boats and Flying Boats, a biography of Hubert Scott-Paine, by Adrian Rance. (ISBN 1-85455-026-8) which gives a VERY comprehensive history of this class of boat.

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Sorry, that should have been November 2004 not 2005.
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Hello The Pom

Of the several versions of 63ft Whaleback produced MA/SB 32 is one of the MA/SB 22-39 batch (short deckhouse) which oddly enough were built with two Napier Sea Lions giving 23 knots. I say oddly because 32 certainly does have evidence of a third shaft, a bit of a mystery. Her ID was confirmed by historian Philip Simons once her yard number had been located on the inside top of her stempost (her previous owner Gordon Bland always maintained she was an ex-RAF HSL, although I do not know where he got this information from). I had not heard of any 63ft boats being powered by RR Merlins, this is fascinating news as I thought only certain 70ft Whalebacks had these.

Regards,Christian. 



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