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Hi Steve,
 
Many thanks for this, sure will be of great interest to the team, fingers crosse we can still get there.
 
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Hi guys,
A few bits of imfo we could all find out for them while the guys from newsons carry on the good fight with no time to spare...
1. Who can find out if you need special licences to follow her as escort? If none then happy to follow her to lowestoft with the beacons on if it saves money that can be spent on physically repairing the boat rather than just getting her there. Any volunteers to escort up front when she gets off the motorway??
 2.    If the silly rules brigade win on road transport then what are the options for keeping her in so'ton as cheap as poss while volunteers + newsons guys when available get her ready to tow or cruise(How long on Medusa Alan? that would be a fitting first voyage for the old girl). Could she for example be stowed between sungo & 458? prob legal troubles there but if somebody has spare time to find out.
 3.   I know i am disadvantaged in not being able to write a big cheque for this boat but have the advantage of being able to give my time(if they'll have me lol). What can we as individual people do to help save this one?? It takes money, skills & sometimes just a person with a paint brush for a few saturdays to save these boats!!
 4. unlikely as it is at the moment would anyone sponser her? eg Airfix been selling models of these for years & it may be good business for them to save one(they make kids toys not politically correct policy), renumbering thier kit 245 with an ad of her tearing about now at 40knots would be accesible to them, as is only a few kids have great grandfathers from coastal forces so most arent interested.
 
  Not much but i'll hand carve a pair of sandstone gargoyles & less postage the rest goes to 245. highest bids to Richard but he has a boat to save so unless i've just opened pandora's box then please dont give him more stress than he's undoubtedly under right now. Better still, bid & let final amount be known in say 2 weeks?(if my rocks sell then somebody buy a castle & pay for the dogboatLOL) Its late/early but lets save this one!! The last thornycroft, the last whaleback, the last dogboat,  its on our watch! If we dont save them then they wont be left for anyone else to save!!


Edited by jimmy p - 04 February 2009 at 3:11am
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Hi Jimmy,
 
Good few points there, David EP mentioned an e-bay site for selling stuff, and proceeds can be directed to BMPT, but believe fees ex this site. Much going on and David doing excellent job of co-ordinating all, problems arising as above re transport but working on, but as mentioned, need to see post the 7th to confirm worth doing to start with.
 
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With regard to ebay selling, contact garethep, as he set it up, so should be able to give info and advice re costs.

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Hi All,
 
Yes, did not want to put any one off for a second, do please find out the situation re e-bay and th BMPT, just from my experience of using it for selling something.
 
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RE: SPECIAL LICENSE FOR ESCORTING WIDE LOADS.

Hi all, just to let you know that you dont need a special license for an escort vehicle, you just need the following:
1) WIDE LOAD BOARDS FOR FRONT AND REAR OF THE VEHICLE
2) HI VIS PAINT OR STRIPES
3) TRAFFIC CONES WITH FLASHING LIGHTS
4) ROOF BEACONS ON VEHICLE
5) 2 WAY RADIO FOR TALKING TO LOAD CARRYING VEHICLE (CB OR OTHERWISE)
6) HANDS FREE PHONE
7) AND ALSO, THE VEHICLE HAS TO HAVE ITS AN 'ESCORT VEHICLE' WRITTEN ON IT!!!
 
I think that's about it, but all this info is available on the highways agency website.
 
Am not 100% sure as i drive the loads, not the escort vehicle!!
I hope this helps, am just sorry i have'nt the trailer to move boats of this size :(
 
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Hi Steve,
 
Thanks again for your input, sure it can be done, just need to wait and see post tommorrow, hopefully it will be doable, question of cost of course as ever, now if only we could find a nice old painting on board...!!!
 
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Situation Report No. 3.

 

Unfortunately Richard and Keith will not be able to get down to Southampton tomorrow, due to the weather conditions.

 

The current tot al of financial pledges to date is £1100.

We have been in contact with the National Memorial Heritage Fund and the National Historic Ships organisations for grant assistance. The NMHF has indicated that MTB245 is unlikely to receive any funding, but will give a definitive answer following an official request application. The NHS can only consider boats that are on their register after a minimum period (one month I think) and then the grants are relatively small, it is highly probable that she will go onto the register.

 

As you will be aware the method of transport of MTB245 to Lowestoft, has raised both difficulties and suggestions, the initial quote for road transport was in the region of £6,000 (ex VAT) this then fell by the wayside when realisation that it exceeded the width requirements of  ‘normal’ wide loads At that stage it appeared that the project was lost. Subsequently we learn, special permissions can be granted for exceptional cases! This however involves proving that road transport is the only viable option, as the Highways Agency has a policy that for road transport of this nature, it is “To nearest practical port”. The application for moving a boat from Southampton to Lowestoft by road is extremely unlikely to succeed. The ‘add-on’ costs are mounting, as additional insurances are required to cover the damage or, removal and replacement of street furniture (lamp posts, traffic lights, road signs etc.) as well as costs associated with the planning of acceptable routes, police escorts (if deemed necessary) time allowed on the route, as well as a whole host of other things that probably have not yet emerged from the woodwork! This would also require a minimum of eight weeks for the application to be processed and a vast amount of paperwork, with little chance of approval. If approval was forthcoming, a further three weeks is required for the Police forces along the route to assess the practicalities.

The alternative is for Sea transport, initially regarded as too expensive, but now, perhaps looking more realistic, again this has its problems, preparation of 245 for a sea journey, (whether by towage – probably in / on a barge, or by cargo on board a freighter) this would inevitably involve strengthening / bracing to enable her to withstand lifting or the sea journey itself, weather and sea conditions would increase the time scale of the operation.

 

The owner of MTB245 has several other serious offers for the purchase of 245, (one of which has towing arrangements in place for the early part of next week!) He is also aware of the problems we are having over the transport and financing of this project. With our first contact with the owner, we understood his major concerns with the timescale; it does not appear that we can achieve what needs to be done within that time. The other offers are people who want to maintain 245 as a MTB, so there is no intent on breaking or ‘vandalism’.

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I am posting this on my own behalf so there is no confusion with regard to opinions held.
 

My view is that we gracefully bow-out at this stage, but offer assistance to the new owner if they need our help. MTB 245 will go onto the NHS register, which will keep its history safe, and if the intent is to have her look more like a Motor Torpedo Boat than a Porta-Cabin then all-well-and-good.

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Hi David,
 
Well, I can see what you are saying, and thus it would appear as you say if these other people are ready.....a pity but there it is I guess.  Of course we do have the first and prototype MTB 102, the MGB 81 although not in trust, and so long as she still remains and even "improved" that would be still good, although of course we can never be 100% certain of her future, the owners can do what they will with her of course.  Perhaps after such support and interest in 245, another project may present itself in this way, though as I usually say, as above, we must not forget existing vessels and the work they need.
 
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