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Topic: ferocity
Posted By: mike harrison
Subject: ferocity
Date Posted: 21 February 2006 at 12:59am
I currently have built a 4' 6'' model of this vessel and finished a rebuild of her after damage when it fell off ,with the roof rack, from my motor car some years ago. I built ferocity  from vosper drawings and hull lines obtained from Uffa Fox's book Seaman like sense in powercraft. I have a number of photos of her plus photos of  my 6' Brave Swordsman, and of  a 4' 3' Model of Dark Gladiator. All my boats are radio controlled. I plan to make a 5' model of Brave Swordsman shortly as i was fortunate to obtain general arrangement drawings[ In various roles] from Vospers I welcome Correspondence from  interested parties in fast patrol craft. Regards Mike harrison.



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Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 21 February 2006 at 11:52am

Hello Mike

Let's see the photos then!



Posted By: mike harrison
Date Posted: 23 February 2006 at 9:42am

Hi Christian' I have sorted out my Photos but alas the Kb size after computer reduction is 4599 Kb. The ones of the Brave =186 Kb, Pics of Ferocity and Brave= 620 Kb, Pics of Ferocity after repairs prior to painting =507 Kb, Ferocity running on pond =498 Kb, and  the last 4 photos I took a few days ago total 2788 Kb, each averaging 697 Kb. I could email them all to your home email. My Home email is :- 

   mailto:mikeandwendy@snap.net.nz - mikeandwendy@snap.net.nz       If you do send me your Email address ,It will remain confidential. I enjoyed your photos on your website, and was quite suprised at how many Patrol type craft have been converted to pleasure craft.  I will also give you a breakdown description of each photo.      Regards, Mike Harrison.



Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 23 February 2006 at 12:54pm

Mike's spectacular Ferocity



Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 24 February 2006 at 8:44pm

Mike's Ferocity.Wonderful.



Posted By: ppux
Date Posted: 21 July 2006 at 7:54pm

hi mike i wonder if you could help me?

i picked up a sad and tatty looking model boat last week and i am trying to find out what type of boat it is. after scouring the net i thought i it was a ferocity. but after looking at your pics i dont think it is. the upper super structure is pretty much the same but i have a lovely sleek funnel behind the fly bridge. can you help please i want it to have a correct ref number.

thanks



Posted By: mike harrison
Date Posted: 22 July 2006 at 6:54am

Hi , PPUX, The model you have purchased , it seems to be from memory ,to be a VERON Kit of Vosper-Thornycroft's 103 ft diesel-engined fast patrol .According to my copy of International Defence Review of June 1971.  It says a total of 33 having been built for 4 navies. Powered by twin deisels giving a max speed of 25 knots, the craft carries 2 40mm Bofer guns, 2 rocket flare launchers, sonar and depth charges. Hope this answers your question,

Regards Mike



Posted By: Pioneer
Date Posted: 22 July 2006 at 8:23am

Hello Mike and PPUX,

Here is a poor image of one of several Vosper craft exported to Malaysia. This boat was one of 14 known as the 'Kris' class named 'Kelewang'. There were several other boats of similar appearance (4 'Sabah' class and 6 'Kedan' class). I do have the complete list of Pennant Numbers if you so wish - drop me a PM and I'll forward them on.

 



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Posted By: mike harrison
Date Posted: 22 July 2006 at 11:31am

Hi PPUX, The photo of The Kelewang is the similar craft that I was refering to in my last message.

Regards Mike.



Posted By: ppux
Date Posted: 22 July 2006 at 9:00pm

You guys are stars !!!

thanks for the info .this is my first boat and i would like to get somewhere near a actual vessel. my normal modes of r/c fun have wheels,wings or blades. like i said before it is in a bit of a state, i think being built by a one armed octopuss with a broken sucker who had never seen a boat before was the start......never mind we can rebuild it!!!! ha ha

where did you source the stunning deck ordanance for your fleet mike?

  phil

 

 



Posted By: ppux
Date Posted: 22 July 2006 at 11:40pm

Just a quickie..

it,s not "kris" class it is "keris". you lead me up the garden path there for a while.. LOL



Posted By: robotski
Date Posted: 30 September 2006 at 3:34pm

Hi guys

I am given to understand that the image below is of Ferocity and Sthal, the Vosper export to Germany, if that is correct, Which is which?



Posted By: mike harrison
Date Posted: 09 October 2006 at 11:15am

Hi Robotski, Have just returned from a 2 week holiday, thus my delay in reply to your enquiry about Stral and Ferocity.  Firstly a little history about the 2 boats that I have. In 1960 Vosper received an order from the Federal German Navy for 2 Fast Patrol Boats. One a modified version of the Brave class, embodying an enclosed bridge and one a 92 foot version of Ferocity, but without the diesel crusing and manoevring engines. The photo you sent shows both craft > Stral is on the left [ie, the one with 3 gas turbine exhausts and Pfeil is the one on Stral's right. IE, the one with 2 gas turbine exhausts on the transom. These boats were later transfered to the Royal Hellenic Navy and renamed Aiolos and Astrapi.  My information source is from a Vosper publication that I obtained in the 1970's. I trust  it helps you in your identification of your accompining photo.

Regards , Mike Harrison.



Posted By: robotski
Date Posted: 09 October 2006 at 12:53pm

Thanks Mike

Yep that sorts them out, It would be nice to be able to get comprehensive drawings on each of the Vosper variations from this period and build an example of each for display, would look great.



Posted By: Pioneer
Date Posted: 09 October 2006 at 1:59pm

Hello Mike and Robotski

Both of those boats were eventually bought by the owner of Brave Challenger as a 'spares pool'. Strange but the actual fate of the original 'Ferocity' is still unknown. I have a copy of the sales brochure for 'Ferocity' which I could send if you put your e-address in a pm

Regards 



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Posted By: robotski
Date Posted: 09 October 2006 at 2:36pm

By the way PPUX

The 'Kedan' class is now avalible as a 1/24 scale semi kit with a comprehensive range of fittings from Fleetscale, it has been created from the original builders drawings to Fleetscales usual impecable standards, not the cheapest of kits, so I might have to wait a while before having a go at this one.

regards

Mike



Posted By: mike harrison
Date Posted: 10 October 2006 at 2:53am

Hi Pioneer, Yes I would love to have a copy of the sales brochure of Ferocity. My email is    mailto:mikeandwendy@snap.net.nz - mikeandwendy@snap.net.nz

regards Mike.



Posted By: robotski
Date Posted: 10 October 2006 at 7:45am

Mike

I would have to echo the earlier post with the photograph of your Ferocity, top notch  

Is she in 1/24 scale, and were your fittings self made? we would all love to know more.

regards

Mike



Posted By: mike harrison
Date Posted: 10 October 2006 at 11:24am

Hi Mike, When I first decided to build Ferocity I thought of building her to 1/16 of her origional size to match my 6 ft Brave Swordsman. Alas I made an error. Ferocity is 52 inches making her 1/19 approx. All the fittings are hand made except the shaped nav lights on both sides of the bridge and the 2 fairleads at the bow as well as the 2 fairleads on both sides of the deck at the transom and the chain fitted to the forward anchor. The Bridge is made of birch mm ply, bofors are built with 1/16th ply, white pine, dural barrel ,with bronze welding rod. torpedoes are machined  out of a broom handle. Staunchions are made from bronze welding rods. anchors are formed from brass sheet. the fire hydrants ,one at the port front of the bridge and the other 2 located forward of the co2 extinguishers next to the life buoys are made of brass [each hydrant is made up of 16 parts. The hull is double diagional planked with 1mm ply. deck is of 1/16th ply. The engine is currently a 22cc weed eater which delivers too much torque and I am soon to re engine her with a 10 cc model aircraft engine. The origional engine was a 22cc O & R [as per the photo of Ferocity running] this engine was rather unreliable and the more modern 2 stroke i put in delivered to much torque causing the hull to twist [roll] when running and didnot look very scale like. Any more queries I am happy to give

Regards , Mike Harrison



Posted By: robotski
Date Posted: 10 October 2006 at 3:48pm

Hi Mike

Two things come to mind, one was to do with your ply, my local timber merchent only seems to stock 4mm or thicker, was this 1mm ply a special order or is it fairly common?

Where did the plans come from as they seem to have been very comprehensive? the only example of a Vosper boat I have seen is the original builders drawings that Fleetscale used for the 'Kedan' class, way more detail than you would need to build a scale version.

Regards

Mike.  



Posted By: mike harrison
Date Posted: 11 October 2006 at 11:50am

Hi Mike, Firstly the ply I used on Ferocity is actually 1.5 mm birch ply, I was able to get it here in NZ from a speciality wood supplier that dealt with these smaller sizes [very expensive and only available in sheets of 4 foot by 4 for foot. ] You might like to obtain it in the UK through microlight aircraft builders or some model boat shops.  The drawings for Ferocity. Firstly the hull lines. I got these from a book written by Uffa Fox called Seamanlike Sense in Power craft. This was published in the 1960's, and should be available in reference sections of major libraries [I hope so]. I had to enlargen these hull lines to the size I built the boat. The general arrangement drawings of the boat were obtained[purchased] from Vosper Thorneycroft.  The drawings that I received were of the military [navy] version of Ferocity. I then had to scale up the drawings 2.48 times to give me the 4foot 6inch model I built. Vospers very kindly sent me 3 large photos as well. I built Ferocity to the naval version, and after a mishap when the roof rack on my car plus 2 boats dislodged from my car at 50 mph. The resulting damage which wasn't too catastrophic, I decided with the repairs to bring the boat back to as she was built ,as in the photos that Vospers had given me. This is as she is now as per the photos that are  with bmpt. Vospers were very good to me and I cant thank them enough,and further dealings with them when I purchased Drawings of Brave Swordsman have been excellent. I approached Vospers through their public relations Section.  I hope I have been of some help to you.

Regards ,Mike Harrison.



Posted By: robotski
Date Posted: 11 October 2006 at 2:58pm

Thanks very much Mike

That has been very helpful, I am hopeing that Vosper are as helpful, as I have already aproached them for drawings of the Mexican Azteca class, some of which were built by Vosper.

regards

Mike.



Posted By: robotski
Date Posted: 14 October 2006 at 10:16am

Hi Mike

I have found a copy of the Uffa Fox book on the internet, looks like a gold mine of information on small power craft, so I have ordered a copy, I have Also found out that Glasgow Univerisity Archives hold copies of the Azteca Drawings, they are looking at how feasible it would be to cpy them for me.

Can you tell me the name of your contact at Vosper as I have not had any reply from them so far, I send my E-Mail to thier enquiries department, which may not be the best place for such things.

I also found a local timber merchant who stock 1.5mm birch, mahogony, teak and oak, way more expensive than the normal 4mm ply, but avalible in suprisingly large sheets.



Posted By: Pioneer
Date Posted: 14 October 2006 at 1:01pm

Another shot of Mike Harrisons lovely model of "Ferocity"

 



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Posted By: Pioneer
Date Posted: 14 October 2006 at 1:10pm

And another



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Posted By: mike harrison
Date Posted: 14 October 2006 at 11:10pm

Hi Robotski, Great to hear of your find of Uffa Fox's book.  I wrote to the Public relations Department of Vosper Thornycroft in Portsmouth, It was some 35 or so years ago now, for the drawings of Ferocity. I addressed my letter to the head of that department. I am sorry  that I don't have that person's name. I did in my request ,that I was prepared to meet all costs for the drawings and postage charges. They gave me the costs etc. I forwarded them British Postal Orders, and recieved the drawings soon afterward. Also pleased to hear that you have found a source of birch ply. It is lovely to work with.  When I built the hull , I double diagionalled the ply using approx 3/4 " strips of the ply which helps to give the hull its proper shape.  But remember that after fitting the first  diagional , . one should make a cardboard pattern of the next to be placed strip so to get a  proper butt joint with each placed diagional strip. I used a marine glue and used a staple gun to hold the strips in place. It is a bit of a long process, but you will find the end results most pleasing.

Hope these tips will help.

Regards ,
Mike Harrison.

 



Posted By: robotski
Date Posted: 15 October 2006 at 8:37am

Hi Mike

I find that taking your time to do these things not only produces better results, but usually is a lot less frustrating than trying to do everything in a tear *** manner.

Thanks for the tip with Vosper, I will let you know how I get on.

Cheers

Mike.



Posted By: mike harrison
Date Posted: 19 October 2006 at 6:55am

Hi Robotski,, I have tracked down the drawing of Ferocity that I got from Vospers. Its Drawing no 18852/E. The drawing scale is 1/4 inch to the foot. Also the photos that I purched are Vosper photo numbers :- 181A, 268 and 273. Hope this will assist you. Please remember that I scaled up the drawing  2.48 times to give my the length of my model.

Regards

Mike Harrison.



Posted By: robotski
Date Posted: 19 October 2006 at 8:36am

Thanks Mike,

I think I would be aiming to scale up by a factor of 2, which should be 1/24 if I have calculated that correctly



Posted By: triumphjon
Date Posted: 14 September 2010 at 11:27pm
i too have recently got an old veron kit of the keris / kris class of vessel , does anybody have any photos of the armement that was in use please , the model has been rebiult and refitted with modern brushless motors and a 5 channel 2.4ghz radio system !


Posted By: mike harrison
Date Posted: 15 September 2010 at 12:06pm
To triumphjon.    Re your enquiry about Kris craft Patrol Craft. According to my copy af Jane's Fighting ships edition of 1995-96 the said patrol craft  "Kris" pennant No 34 was built by Vosper Ltd Portsmouth and commisioned on 1 Jan 1966. It's main armament was 2 bofors
40/60. According to the photo the  guns had  a enclosed type of  steel shroud protection
around where the gun operaters sat. It doesnot say what Mark the Bofors gun is.
I trust this will be of some help. You may like to write to Vosper Thornycroft's Public relations Officer in Portsmouth for photos of the patrol craft. I have had great service from Vosper Thornycroft in the past, but had to pay for the service.
 
Regards Mike Harrison.


Posted By: triumphjon
Date Posted: 15 September 2010 at 9:51pm
to date ive been looking at the photos on the malaysian navies web site for reference to the rebiuld of the model , ive tried an email to vosper but not received any response , but maybe i wasnt sending it to the right dept ! 


Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 01 October 2010 at 2:04pm
plans;
http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/mar2240.html - http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/mar2240.html
 


Posted By: triumphjon
Date Posted: 01 October 2010 at 8:58pm
ive already got those thanks ! i was curious as to weather there are any of the vosper plans around that may show some of the armament details ?  looking at the malaysian naval page they have a gun on the front & rear decks , and a short dory behind the funnel , otherwise the rear deck looks bare !



Posted By: medway508
Date Posted: 04 September 2012 at 9:56am
Does anyone know the actual shade of grey used on Ferocity or her deck colours?
 
Most photos I have seen of her show her with a light grey hull & white superstructure but the other day, I came across a two tone colour scheme which looks like a very dark (Black or Dark Blue?) hull with white on it as well. I'd post the photo but can't see a way of attaching a photo to a forum post. Confused
 
Pity there seems to be no colour photos of her.
 
 


Posted By: medway508
Date Posted: 04 September 2012 at 11:37am
The link to the two tone scheme is:
 
http://www.navyphotos.co.uk/mtb%20ferocity1b.jpg -  


Posted By: johnk
Date Posted: 04 September 2012 at 12:16pm
Hi there,
 
Welcome aboard, curious re "medway508" are you from sunny Medway Towns?
 
Johnk


Posted By: medway508
Date Posted: 04 September 2012 at 1:52pm
A long time ago, now sunnier Sydney.


Posted By: mike harrison
Date Posted: 17 September 2012 at 11:28am
Hi Medway 508, The photo of Ferocity is one of her earlier pictures taken . I think it was taken shortly after begining her sea trials.  the 40 mm Bofors she is carring are a early
Mark of gun[maybe Mk 5,s]  The photos  I recieved from Vosper's depict mark 9 bofors guns with a different paint scheme.  I wrote to Vospers to confirm the colour scheme of Ferocity as depicted in the 3 photos.  The Hull = Admiralty grey, The deck = Dark Grey,
and the hull below waterline = Dark Maroon. These are the colours Vospers told me were
correct. Please remember that Ferocity was built as a private venture Patrol Boat and that
her colour scheme may not have been done to Royal Navy Specifications of that day.
The photos of my model in the BMPB picture gallery are as close to ,and acknowledged by Vospers when I sent pictures to them.
My Ferocity is currently undergoing an powerplant change [in runner electric motor] plus
fitting a sound system of gas Turbine sound [start up and shut down], 40 mm bofor sounds and fog horn.. I hope to have the boat back in the water before November
this year after an absence of some 15 or so years.
 
Regards,
Mike Harrison.
 
 
 


Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 17 September 2012 at 11:57am
Hi Mike!

Hope all is well with you, have you seen this footage;

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV8Exhc359o - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV8Exhc359o

Ferocity is at the end.

Regards, Christian.

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Posted By: mike harrison
Date Posted: 18 September 2012 at 11:56am
Hi Christian, Many thanks for the vidio clips of the Braves and Ferocity. Nice to see the boats in action.
Best wishes to you,
Mike Harrison.


Posted By: medway508
Date Posted: 22 September 2012 at 6:45am
Mike,
 
Thanks for that. I'm asuming that Admiralty Grey was the blue grey BS381C 697 called Light Admiralty Grey that the RN was painting their ships back then & the dark grey as BS381C 632 called Dark Admiralty Grey they used on the decks of Braves & flight decks of frigates.
 
The darker coloured hull scheme I'd guess as a dark blue but not Royal Blue (Admirals & Liz wouldn't have been impressed by the use of that colour)
 
regards,
 
Michael


Posted By: medway508
Date Posted: 22 September 2012 at 6:50am
Thanks Christian,
 
I love that 3 tone colour scheme she is wearing.
 
regards,
 
Michael


Posted By: mike harrison
Date Posted: 22 September 2012 at 9:21am
Hi Medway508.    Thanks for the colour code numbers of the shades of Admiralty grey.
You mentioned that the Braves deck colour was dark Grey. According to a Royal Navy training colour film of HMS Brave Swordsman [ a copy  I have ] the colour is a light green,
colour specification number is not known to me.   I was lucky to visit KD Malaya [the Malayasian navy Base on Singapore Island] in 1977 and went on board Perkasa. Her deck was painted light green over a canvas material [an anti slip agent] that was glued to the deck. That visit was a most memorable for me . All the Malasian Perkasa Braves were berthed there and had been decomissioned and were up for sale. Asking price was around Malasian $ 300,000 for each craft.  I unable to find out if they were sold or what demise became of these boats.
Regards,
Mike Harrison.


Posted By: medway508
Date Posted: 22 September 2012 at 9:51am

Mike,

 

The details I got from Defence Standards were that decks were BS4800 14C39 (no names for 4800 colours) from the mid 1950s to 1968. It was a high gloss colour & very slippery when wet. I only found the grey coloured decks the other week when I came across a colour photo of them both in Wales in 1962 & they had grey decks. The YouTube video Christian aimed me at has overhead colour footage of them showing the grey decks.

 

The green is a medium green darker than Humbrolís deck green. I have seen an RN painting instruction for Chatham Dockyard on a Leander where it says BS381C Mid Brunswick Green 226 could be used. Never knew until then that there were 3 shades of Brunswick Green!

 

If you are painting anything any decent paint shop should be able to mix up the standard colours & a mob called Phoenix Paints makes them in different sized cans for modellers. I believe they now also do them in spray cans to order.

 

I used to visit Malaysia a lot for work & heard one Perkasa had been retained for a museum but was never able to find it. I think a Danish Brave is in a museum somewhere.

 

Regards,

 

Michael

 

Just noticed you are in NZ, so no chance of getting spray cans mailed out.




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