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Topic: General Message Board on Where Boats Are
Posted By: Jim
Subject: General Message Board on Where Boats Are
Date Posted: 11 July 2006 at 6:13pm

Thought We needed a place to drop General Messages on Boat locations so we dont "wonder off the beaten track" on some threads (Guilty as Charged i'm afraid).




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Posted By: rozm2
Date Posted: 12 July 2006 at 2:00pm
This was sort of what I was getting at with the "boats" thread, so people could add boats they'd found or knew of and maybe a new topic started if sufficient interest was found? Didn't really work but hey, I tried!


Posted By: Jim
Date Posted: 12 July 2006 at 10:00pm
Might Work,but we need to find all the survivors,you not wrong.


Posted By: Jim
Date Posted: 30 July 2006 at 2:45pm

Did The UK Sell any MTB/RTTLs/HLS to the Middle east?

Iran/Iraq area ?



Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 30 July 2006 at 7:12pm

Hi Jim

HDMLs 1081,1389 and 1397 were sold to Iran in 1948/9;have you come across something interesting?

Regards,Christian



Posted By: Jim
Date Posted: 04 August 2006 at 7:17pm

Hi All

New Question!

Were any ST's 48 foot (If it Is a ST?)

and the same design as the 41 ft hull?

Don, Spoke to the previous Owner....

Says the Hull was in good order!

The Hull, He said has a position for a Third Prop in the hull floor,

He Thinks she was a ST or a Navy Launch of some kind, he gave me pictures of her when he had her.

I will scan and post!

Regards

Jim.



Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 04 August 2006 at 8:00pm

Hi Jim

Looks like she could've been post-war JS White-built Admiralty FMB;what do you know about her?There were some wartime-built BPB craft of this approximate size,but I must admit I don't see the similarity,for starters the stem curves the wrong way (chine to deck)and the entry is too fine.When was she built?What is her beam?How many engines?Is she on a brokers page?Tell us more!

Regards,Christian



Posted By: Jim
Date Posted: 04 August 2006 at 8:08pm

Hi Christian

She is the one in Balloch Marina.

The Owner of the Marina wants her gone...Two Perkins She is abandoned...

Was Talking to Don about her...trying to get someone to look her over soon as possible.

The Previous Owner just phoned me and I will meet him this week for a chat...and I have some more leads up this way!

Pity i'm running out of time!!! bummer

Regards

Jim.



Posted By: Jim
Date Posted: 04 August 2006 at 8:10pm

Oh and my mate is in Basra and says he saw some MTB type wrecks on the river bank....He thinks PT's?

 



Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 04 August 2006 at 8:13pm

I edited in a pic of an FMB sold recently,I don't think she's a sister,the sides flare out on "your" boat and on "mine" they are straight.Hmmmm.... 

Re Basra MTBs-Is your mate allowed to take pics of that kind of thing? 



Posted By: Jim
Date Posted: 04 August 2006 at 8:28pm

Hi Christian

Here she is on the Water....



Posted By: Jim
Date Posted: 04 August 2006 at 8:28pm


Posted By: Jim
Date Posted: 04 August 2006 at 8:28pm

I'll ask him to send me pics over he sould have a camera...or get some myself.

 

 



Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 09 August 2006 at 7:24pm

Hi Jim

I'm still trying to find out the type.Do you know or can you find out her name and previous names?

Regards,Christian



Posted By: Jim
Date Posted: 09 August 2006 at 9:27pm

Hi Christian

More pictures of her!

Her Name Was "Trico" when owned by Jim Lynch...meeting him this week for a chat....more info to follow..

Jim was up in Arbroath short time back and says there is a MTB in the boat yard up there....Anyone??

 



Posted By: Jim
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 10:30pm

Hi all

All my best.

 Time caught me up..so catch you all next year...

Pity I never found out what the "Balloch ST" was..

Regards to all

 

Jim.



Posted By: David Earle-Pay
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 6:51am
Hi, have just been informed that a RAF launch is becoming available for sale. I believe she is circa 1945, and was either a target towing or ASR launch. Photos and more details to follow when available. Regards David

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David Earle-Payne
Make it idiot proof, and then someone will make a better idiot!


Posted By: David Earle-Pay
Date Posted: 21 September 2006 at 10:31pm

Here as promised



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David Earle-Payne
Make it idiot proof, and then someone will make a better idiot!


Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 24 September 2006 at 9:42am

Hi David,

Looks like she is 'Zeta' a Brooke marine craft that sold in Southampton a year or so ago.  I had heard that she had gone to a museum of some sort.

I'd love to know more details as I was told she is the last WW2 Brook marine craft afloat. Brooke Marine were from Lowestoft  where I am hopefully getting a berth shortly.

Regards

Don

 

 

 



Posted By: David Earle-Pay
Date Posted: 24 September 2006 at 10:07pm
hi Don, you're not mistaken she is 'Zeta' she is a nice boat (seaplane tender ?) regards David

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David Earle-Payne
Make it idiot proof, and then someone will make a better idiot!


Posted By: Jacmac
Date Posted: 30 September 2006 at 11:38am

Hello

Nearly purchased Zeta a couple of years, wouldn't mind another look if anyone has any information regarding the vendor or agent selling her? Where is she located at present?

Any information appreciated.

Regards



Posted By: David Earle-Pay
Date Posted: 30 September 2006 at 9:28pm
'Zeta' is currently at Bursledon although the boatyard is still not sure that they are able to sell to recover costs so that its not at all certain she is available. She sadly sank last week due to excessive rainfall but she was refloated almost immediately and has now had her engines removed for flushing and her starters and alternators have been removed for reconditioning.

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David Earle-Payne
Make it idiot proof, and then someone will make a better idiot!


Posted By: Jacmac
Date Posted: 01 October 2006 at 12:21am
Thank you for the update on Zeta. Do you know if the owners are in contact with the boatyard? I'm very keen to speak to them - or the boatyard, if possible as I would like to save her from further damage. Any help in moving things forward appreciated because it would be a shame to see her go to ruin.


Posted By: David Earle-Pay
Date Posted: 01 October 2006 at 10:09am
As far as I know the boatyard is in contact with the owners, who are keen to keep her. there are also other people who are very interested in preventing her demise. Regards David.

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David Earle-Payne
Make it idiot proof, and then someone will make a better idiot!


Posted By: northeastuser
Date Posted: 10 October 2006 at 9:56pm
Hi all, did anyone manage to sort out the situation ragarding the 48ft ST style hull at balloch marina? Also is anyone taking steps to aquire( i dont want to step on anyones toes if they are).as she is close to Irving and may suite my needs down to a T.


Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 11 October 2006 at 8:08am
Forgot to tell you all, the concensus amongst the historians is that she is an ex Derby Winners Class minus her hull belts, and she could be ex Coronach. This is all unconfirmed but quite likely.


Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 11 October 2006 at 3:12pm
Hi Christian,

She does look very very like a Derby winners class hull.  There was one small thing, when looking at the diagonal planking on this boat it is laid  'pointing' ( yes, yes, very technical I know)  forward yet, on a photo of hyperion, it is laid pointing/leaning aft.

I guess it is possible that yards had build differences.

Regards



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Don


Only a number, not even a name. How shall posterity hear of thy fame?


Posted By: AndyS
Date Posted: 15 October 2006 at 3:33pm
Balloch boat:
I understand to be a BPBCo boat.
Construction is BPBCo. style as correctly spotted above.
I do not have my records where I am at the moment, but my wife is close and has restored several BPBCo so she knows waht she is looking at. Hull was sound a few years ago, but has not been out for several years.
Regards
Andy



Posted By: JSW5103
Date Posted: 15 October 2006 at 10:42pm

Balloch boat:

I have followed the discussion with interest as the hull looked familiar but 'not quite right'. The descriptions tick some Derby Winner boxes, 48ft is one and the third propshaft position is another. It is the name thought that really clicked for me, 'TRICO'. This is not a Derby Winner name but 'TRIGO' is and the transformation could occur for a number of reasons such as a mis-copy from faded paint, a 'typo' or just a similar but not identical name.

TRIGO is a Groves and Guttrige build of 1944, last recorded as 'TRIGO of RHU' in 1965. (via Philip Simons).

The lie of the planks is, I think, a difference between J.S. White and G&G though I need to check more photo's to be sure. The sectioned drawing I have of a G&G Derby Winner definitely shows the 'inner leaf' with the tops to the stern so one may conclude that the 'outer leaf' points forward at the top.

I think I saw in another thread that David Earle-Payne has drawings for both builders so the definitive answer on this may be close to hand.



Posted By: AndyS
Date Posted: 15 October 2006 at 11:06pm
JSW
Can you send a copy of your section plan. I can compare it to the my records and let you know.

Northeastuser
What are your thoughts for possibly using this boat?
Are you familiar with the construction and issues to be considered for a successful conversion. It will depend on how and where you want to use the vessel.

Best regards



Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 8:24am
Re the Balloch boat, I've uploaded some photos  of her sent to me by Jim.

http://www.rania.co.uk/BallochST






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Don


Only a number, not even a name. How shall posterity hear of thy fame?


Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 10:55am

Hi JSW

Glad to have someone on my side here, the other clincher is that the G&G builds had their cutless bearings fitted externally and the JSWs internally, from Don's "ST" gallery you can make out the external bearing housings, interestingly also the rudders which are certainly not BPB if original.The G&G GA drawing unfortunatley does not show the lie of the planking, but if you look at the Blue Peter picture she has the same planking direction and she is a G&G build. As you say, the fact that she was triple shafted and 48ft are of prime importance, but I do wonder if that length includes the subsequently added bathing platform, as the yard owner would certainly include that as part of the LOA for billing purposes.If the platform accounts for 2 1/2ft she could possibly be a BPB Bird Class, I am at a loss to think which other wartime BPB she could conceivably be. I think it is sadly unlikely although it would be great if she were a Bird Class, the very last one is on the public hard at Shoreham awaiting breaking-up (Regulus ex Hawk). 

Regards,Christian.



Posted By: northeastuser
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 11:15am

Hi, Andys .

Re the Balloch boat. . Im looking for something that cam be used as a tool store and possibly accommodation in the short term while I work on Pinnace 1262 at Irving. As for knowing these boats, well I guess I will happily say that I wont turn away advice.

If the Bolloch boat can be made watertight in a few weeks/months of full time work then I will happily take her on depending on price.

The pictures in dgray’s post would suggest considerable deck work required to make her safe. How long do you think it would take to make her hull safe to move under her own power, (I f possible at all) ignoring the inside and running gear?

There will plenty of time once she is at Irving to do further repairs.

I’m not concerned about her interior, its either that or a static caravan or possibly sleeping in the back of my van while working on the Pinnace 1262.

I’m a mechanic and welder and by trade , So id expect to be able to sort the engines quite easily. So all being well and if not to much work is required on the hull I would believe that id have her shifted from the yard quite quickly.



Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 12:40pm

Hi northeastuser

Best be careful how to spell Balloch...

Best Regards,Christian.



Posted By: triker69uk
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 2:15pm

hi, re zeta. i know the owner of this vessel & he has no knowledge of it sinking. it is at present moored at the river hamble ( due to be moved hopefully to ramsgate around december) & he was contacted by the boatyard very recentlyto see what was happening to it as he had not contacted for a while due to hospitalisation, as i say, no mention was made then or since about anything untoward happening. in fact they mentioned as he intended moving it, did he want the engines serviced. he was quite supprised when i told him what id just read. can anyone confirm what is going on. the information he has on the boat is that it has had major restoration in 2001 & was due to go to the bpb museum but got sold instead.

cheers, graham



Posted By: northeastuser
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 3:54pm
mmm  Your right it is Balloch .


Posted By: David Earle-Pay
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 6:41pm
Hi, Graham, Re. Zeta when were you last in contact with owner? The boatyard has been in contact with the owner and or his family very recently. regards David

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Make it idiot proof, and then someone will make a better idiot!


Posted By: AndyS
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 11:25pm
Just a small question...
 when were the propeller's counted?
From my recollection there are only 2.

I am working from recollection, but the I seem to remember that the construction suggested to me that she was pre-war, probably mid thirties, but I am not particularly familiar with the Darby Winners, so it could be a re-engined candidate.

Has anyone actually measured her?

northeastuser
I think that she would be quite good for that and have enough space.
The easiest way to shift her would be to build a shipping cradle under her and then truck her. It would be much quicker and more guaranteed than trying the marine route. It is also a lot easier and cheaper than you think. After all you will still need to negotiate the barrage at Balloch and then the tidal shoals of the River Leven which are not charted or maintain, despite the plans of British Waterways. it is now normal to truck out from Balloch. There are several local companies who know what they are doing on that front. I can give you some pointers if you would like to look at going that route.

What is the plan with Pinnace 1262? There is a lot to do to even get her to look the part, let alone to get her straightened out and structurally sound... Good luck.

Best regards
AndyS


Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 17 October 2006 at 12:04am
I think the boat has to float out as I seem to remember Jim saying that trucks cannot get to that marina now.


I also heard that in Scottish law that it takes 7 years before then boat can be considered  abandoned and  disposed of by the yard.


I apologise for the poor quality of the images below but I think the Derby class ( bottom image) is a lot beamier than the Balloch boat (top).






I add a small photo of my little boat as a comparision. There seems to be a design similarity to the Balloch boat if you look at the flare of the hull.









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Only a number, not even a name. How shall posterity hear of thy fame?


Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 17 October 2006 at 8:41am
Posted: 04 August 2006 at 7:17pm | IP Logged Report Post http://www.bmpt.org.uk/forum/edit_post.asp?M=Q&PID=1009&TPN=4">Quote Jim

Hi AndyS

"The Hull, He said has a position for a Third Prop in the hull floor,

He Thinks she was a ST or a Navy Launch of some kind, he gave me pictures of her when he had her.

I will scan and post!

Regards

Jim!."

Re number of props as quoted by Jim on page one of this topic.

Don, the answer is that there simply weren't any 48ft Seaplane Tenders I'm afraid. The beam looks about right for a DWC, the closer you get with a camera lens the more the image will distort, your picture in the slings has been taken from a much greater distance away than the recent bow-on view taken at Balloch.

Regards,Christian. 

 



Posted By: northeastuser
Date Posted: 17 October 2006 at 10:31am

Hello all.

Have spoke to the Balloch marina this morning.

They intend to sell the boat once as they have legally advertised for the previous owner. Apparently she has been there for about 10 yeas and was sunk before that. There is a number of people interested in her for her shafts etc. Due to the expectations that she will be dismantled the marina will be looking for sealed bids around April as they expect to have room around her then to do the work. Anyone interested is advised to keep in touch.

So sounds like she’s no good for me. Having looked at dgray’s pictures again I think there may be a serious issue with the fact that the cockpit cabin floor has been removed. If this was part of the deck then the front and rear side decks with have nothing holding them up amidships. Cabin off to replace centre part of deck? Probably not a problem if it was a step down to cabin floor.

As for the Pinnace 1262 , well I guess I could easily fill this website with spam about what I intend to do, Probably best if anyone is interested to private message me with your email and I will bore you that way J .

P.s anyone got a set of engines for me to rebuild? Cheap lol.



Posted By: JSW5103
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 12:48am

In respose to AndyS here is my best compromise between size of image and size of file for the Derby Winner line drawing.

This comes from Caxton's 'Modern High Speed Oil Engines' where it is reproduced specifically by courtesy of Groves and Guttrige Ltd.

I also attach another Derby Winner (JSW) bow shot for comparison. The spec. breadth is 11'6'' O/A (11'0'' moulded).

For the class which has a total of 21 boats there is quite a variety of detail difference between them. Two builders with differences as discussed above with each builder producing both the forward wheelhouse and the centre wheelhouse versions. Home or tropical service spec. (with different draughts, mahogany or teak in hull, copper paint or copper sheath and exrta fans and a sun roof for the tropical spec).

It has not been said (possibly because it is obvious) that nothing above the deck of the 'Balloch' boat looks remotely like original Derby Winner apart from:

Another small but inconclusive similarity is that the fairleads on the stern look identical to those on Lemberg.

David Miller.

 



Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 1:42am
Hi,

I know that there are no 48' seaplane tenders ( did I put my foot in it and say that there were?). 

This boat is a bit of a quandry as she seems to tick a lot of boxes on both the BPB and DWC boats.  For example, there is a photo of Blue Peter in the water and the hull seems identical to the Balloch boat  and the diagonal planking issue is resolved. 

Yet,  when I look at the exterior hull photos (looking aft), I'd swear  that the Ballock boat is a BPB boat as the flare of the hull is, to my very inexperienced eye, a BPB 'ST type' hull as it seems less 'beamier' than the DWC Class.  Perhaps it's just the photos.

I'm sure I'll stand corrected but regardless, I hope she is saved next year.  

Do you have any more photos of 'Lemberg'  David?  I'd never seen a FWD wheelhouse version.  I'd love to see some more. The Derby class are a beautiful looking boat.   Maybe one year....

Regards





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Don


Only a number, not even a name. How shall posterity hear of thy fame?


Posted By: JSW5103
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 9:00pm

Hello Don,

More pictures of Lemberg are available, but this may not be the place to put them as I know where Lemberg is! Try my advert in the 'boats for sale section' there are half a dozen more if you click on the index page photo, while I tackle the technology to put an album somewhere accessible.

 

David Miller



Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 9:41pm
Thanks David.   I've ordered the 3 vol. set of Caxton's 'Modern High Speed Oil Engines'    I look forward to reading about them..




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Don


Only a number, not even a name. How shall posterity hear of thy fame?


Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 27 October 2006 at 9:52am

Two Boats spotted for sale on tha Appoloduck website

BOAT 1 - ref 49125

63ft British Power Boat Company HSL converted to a motot yacht.

She is located in Lisbon and wait for it she is priced at Euro 750,000 about £500,000.Somebody should buy 32 from Christians father,what a bargain.

 

BOAT 2

NUOLI MTB/MGB  ref 47890

Finnish Navy Boat from the early 60's and still in original sea going condition. Already one in this country(any body know where?) 0ne of the 3 or 4 remaining.

A snip at Euro 40,000 about £27,000



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Posted By: Jim
Date Posted: 28 October 2006 at 7:38pm

Hi Guys

Back on Leave..

glad to hear the interest in the "Balloch St?"

hope you are all well

might get down to the River Shat El Arab in the next time over....

Heard about hulks of some hulks on mud flats there....

not been able so far.....

Anyone heard of a fast wooden hull in the boatyard in Arbroath?

was told about it this week form a civi contractor in Barsah...never know where you will meet People like us...LOL

All the Best

Jim.



Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 29 October 2006 at 12:21am
Hi Jim,
Hope all is well.  Glad you've got some leave.
Do you remember, was the Balloch boat 40 or 48'  ( you'll notice I didn't refer to her as the 'Balloch ST'!!)

Cheers



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Don


Only a number, not even a name. How shall posterity hear of thy fame?


Posted By: Jim
Date Posted: 29 October 2006 at 12:30am

Hi Don

Pervious owner said she is 48..odd size i know!

Think the only way we can put the "size thing" to sleep is to measure her...will do this this week..

Will get back to you

Regards

Jim.



Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 29 October 2006 at 12:35am
Thanks Jim.  If she's 48 then she is most likely a Derby winners class boat. Interesting to know if she ever had a 3rd shaft.

Thanks






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Don


Only a number, not even a name. How shall posterity hear of thy fame?


Posted By: Jim
Date Posted: 29 October 2006 at 1:37am

Derby Class? Might well be!....the previous owner swears she is a 48!



Posted By: Jim
Date Posted: 29 October 2006 at 1:39am

 The Hull looks similar...chin line looks same..be nice if it was.

Jim.

 



Posted By: jimmy p
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 10:25pm

 Just seen a couple of mtb's on sothebys brokerage site. no other imfo found and to busy to chase up at that price.

 £75k & £500k

 If thats thier real value, im off to buy a barn and a few wrecks



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Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 02 December 2006 at 11:18pm

Anyone recognise this?

Year Built. 1930/40’s
Length. 36 ft.
Beam. 8 ft. 6”
Hull Material. Timber, steamed frames, double diagonal

http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/UBS200/ - http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/UBS200/

They also have another ( possible ST) listed on their site

http://www.uphillboatcentre.co.uk/boatlisting.htm - http://www.uphillboatcentre.co.uk/boatlisting.htm

MC1475 ex. Naval  British Power Boat 39 1930/40's 2 - 6 cyl. Leyland iesels £1,850.00

 


 

 



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Don


Only a number, not even a name. How shall posterity hear of thy fame?


Posted By: northeastuser
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 1:00pm
I have just been sent this by the seller.
Hi
We have now checked further into this craft and have now been informed that it is a Hagg power cruiser, see below for updated inf.

Ref. No.MC1474

Class. Hagg Power Cruiser, we have now checked out the craft’s history and emended accordingly.

Type. Project, Refurbished and partly converted into liveaboard craft. Standing headroom throughout with rear loading doors in transom.

Year Built. 1960’s

Length. 36 ft.

Beam. 8 ft. 6”

Hull Material. Timber, steamed frames, double diagonal, fully cascover sheathed since ashore.  

Keel. Long straight keel, fully sheathed.

Engine. No engines, original were Jaguar 6 cyl. Petrol, but all stern gear in position including propellors.

Accommodation. Possibly 6 berths in 3 cabins.

Inventory. Sea toilet. Full fitted winter cover on craft.

Electronics. None

Trailer. None

Condition. Hull and superstructure appears to be in good order, craft has been laid up for 20

years under a heavy duty fitted cover. Some fitting out could be undertaken on site.

 

This vessel is the nearest i can find on net.

http://www.shannonsailing.com/html/hagg.html - http://www.shannonsailing.com/html/hagg.html

 



Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 4:58pm

Aah, that explains the shape. Nice project for someone.

Thanks

 

 



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Don


Only a number, not even a name. How shall posterity hear of thy fame?


Posted By: clive
Date Posted: 27 December 2006 at 9:49pm

Hello all,

Re Balloch boat,has she been id'd yet? If not i recon she may be a Bates. they are double diagonal and the chine is finished at the bows in the same way as the Balloch boat. Type 'bates starcraft' into google images. only negative point is hull planking 'points' the opposite way to the Bates boat for sale at the houseboat centre on the Thames. Sorry I can't do the url's,

  On a different note does anyone know where I can see a picture of the whaleback at Shoreham? sure i've seen one, can't think where...

 Bit early but have a useful and productive 2007 (and a happy one)

 

 Clive..........



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Posted By: David Earle-Pay
Date Posted: 27 December 2006 at 10:31pm
Has anyone considered the helm position? Hyperion and Blue Peter both have port side position, cannot vouch for the others but the Balloch boat appears to be central.

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David Earle-Payne
Make it idiot proof, and then someone will make a better idiot!


Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 28 December 2006 at 12:22am

Hi David,

I put about a dozen photos of the Balloch boat at:   http://www.rania.co.uk/BallochST - www.rania.co.uk/BallochST

In them You can see that the current helm position is indeed central. It's hard to tell it that's the original position though.

Regards



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Don


Only a number, not even a name. How shall posterity hear of thy fame?


Posted By: Garethep
Date Posted: 31 December 2006 at 10:26am
Before anyone says anything the pics did work for about 5 mins! Once I figure out how to keep them up for longer I'll try again.



Posted By: Garethep
Date Posted: 01 January 2007 at 8:53am
Cant get the pictures up here but they should be visible at:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41131444@N00/339468907/

Happy New Year to anyone reading.
Gareth


Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 01 January 2007 at 12:11pm

Garethep,

Please find attached your photos, I have taken them from flicker and reduced to below 50k for uploading.

She is now called OSPREY (See other posts on the site for other photo's) She is Ex RTTL Mk II- 2770 built by Saunders Roe in 1959.

I would be grateful if you could confirm her current where abouts.

 



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Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 01 January 2007 at 12:37pm

Garethep,

Pease find attached an image of 2770 during her commisioning trials as taken from 2771 (last known location in Malta as a bare hull)

 

 



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Posted By: Garethep
Date Posted: 01 January 2007 at 1:42pm
d-zine,
Thanks for that, she's currently at Bowling Harbour just outside Glasgow.  Dont know how long she's been there but i'm sure it's at least 2 years now but this is the first time i've managed to get a picture.

Cheers
Gareth


Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 06 January 2007 at 5:27pm

I came across the following boat for sale on http://www.apolloduck.com - www.apolloduck.com

Ref 49760

1955 Mk1 PINNACE - 63ft x 15ft 6" - £28,000.

If you look carefully at the boat behind in the photograph you should be able to identify her current location.

The contact details are in the advert.

Would anybody be able to identify this boat, is she the same type as SAMURANG?



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Posted By: AndyS
Date Posted: 06 January 2007 at 6:46pm
That looks like Les's Pinnace. I can not remember what she was called but she has spent a lot of time in and around the Clyde and Holy Loch.
I have not spoken to Les for several years so I do not know the status.
Both of these boats used to work together doing diving and moorings, until Osprey was sold to the current owner.


Posted By: Jacmac
Date Posted: 06 January 2007 at 7:50pm

Hello, the pinnace in the photo is an ex RAF GS 63ft pinnace - service number 1381. She did carry an E after her number for a while when on charge and this related to the experimental use of different gearboxes. The boat as far as I know is still on the Clyde. Hope this helps.

Regards



Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 06 January 2007 at 8:23pm

Another view of Aquila Maris whilst at Glasgow. What happened to her Hyab?



Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 06 January 2007 at 8:40pm

A lovely shot of Osprey in service (from Donald Smith). Anyone got GSP 1381?



Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 7:56am

Hi,

For those of you who have not worked it out, former GSP 1381 is moored alongside former RTTL 2770 Osprey in Bowling Harbour on the Clyde and can be seen on the pictures further up this page taken by Garethep recently.



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Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 8:02am

AndyS,

As your are familiar with OSPREY would you be able to confirm the engine/gearbox arrangement that she is currently running and the speed that she operates at.

The contact name for the GSP in the ad is Kenny on 07915360236.

What does Osprey currently do and is her future secure for the forseable future?

Regards



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Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 15 January 2007 at 11:07pm
Drop dead gorgeous Ex 45ft Admiralty Fast Launch at:

                 www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/F115321/

She's in Holland. Asking price £40,277 GBP




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Posted By: landlubber
Date Posted: 15 January 2007 at 11:38pm
I'm become interested in old WW2 boats and I'm thinking of buying one of my own (with a mate).  I don't mind a bit of work but a major refit is proibably beyond my capabilities and wallet.

Our budget is limited to only £20k (that's a big limit) and she must be ex-RN. I guess anything over 65' would be too big and anything under 40' too small.

Are there any early 55 or 60' boats for sale?   I'd be obliged it if you could you let me know of anything, ex-RN that might be for sale.
 
Thanks


Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 20 January 2007 at 10:35am

The only one I know that seems to fit the bill is:

  • LEMBERG’  Derby Winner Class Launch.  £25k(UK)

Out of budget/Size:

  • MA/SB 32 in Gibraltar at  £35k
  • HSL 2595 in Gibraltar at  £35k
  • Lewina (72' HDML) in Kent at £14k

For what it's worth, there are plenty of hulks out there for next to nothing but, unless you have very deep pockets, my ha'pence worth of advice is buy the best you can as you'll save a fortune in the long run.



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Posted By: northeastuser
Date Posted: 20 January 2007 at 11:52am

I’m going to stick my ore in here. I would advise anyone who is thinking about buying a hulk to forget it. Yes the idea is good and yes they are cheep and you will love your vessel. But I guarantee you will be kept awake at night wondering what the hell your going to do and wondering where your going to find the cash. Everyone will consider you either barking or stupid, or both.

But if you do decide to get a hulk then try and find one within reasonable travelling distance. I’m not going to go into the ins and out of how to rebuild your chosen hulk. There are so many ways to do that , theirs just not enough space here to list them all. I will pass on the advice given to me ”If you think it can be done then just ignore everyone else’s opinion and get on with it.”



Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 08 February 2007 at 2:49am
Hi Clive,

Picture courtsey Christian.    It's on page 2 at:

www.rania.co.uk/boat%20photos/ST/WhalebackAlbum

Regards



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Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 09 February 2007 at 2:46pm
Just spotted on e-bay


Item Number 160083134923

Current Bid £31.00 with 8 days to go.



Details posted by the seller

This boat is an absolute bargain, it has twin 385hp p6s which need  basic attention ,boat is water tight and sea worthy, more pictures of interior can be sent via email/mms, and i will answer all questions sent, reason for sale: boat has to be removed from its location asap and i have not got time or resources to do so. viewing can be arranged

Location PORTSMOUTH

Is this a new boat or has it already been spotted elsewhere?


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Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 09 February 2007 at 3:19pm
Another one on E-Bay

This ones in the South of Spain and they are looking for £30,000, it has been up for sale for sometime now and may have been mentioned elsewhere so my appologies if I am repeating.

E Bay Ref 280080112741

This boat is described as being 42ft long.







Description by seller

this is great boat 42ft by 11ft she started life as 1946,navel vessel then converted to motor boat by british power boat company she underwent a full 2year out of water rebuild from keel up to topsides and had 35 thousand pounds worth of work done, this was in 1996/98 she has a d/d hull with teak decks and iroko topsides windows are oversized and made of bullet proof glass for rough wheather protection she went from the uk to spain through frances river/canal system and has been used as a house boat in la manga in the costas the home of golf! for 8years the marina is top notch with access to a bay10miles across and also the med,murcia airport is 40minutes away and alicante 90minutes.



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Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 09 February 2007 at 3:46pm
Hi,

Spotted this one and not quite sure what it is? The foredeck looks not unlike the late war River Class ie HUMBER, the bow looks to vertical (could be the angle of the photo) and confusingly the hull construction is described as Steel. What did the pre war Bird Class look like?

This one is located on Appoloduck from the houseboat centre.


DESCRIPTION BY SELLER

Length    -   48ft
Beam      -   13ft
Draft      -   4ft6"

Hull        -   Steel



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Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 09 February 2007 at 4:09pm
Hi,

One more before I log off for the night.

This one can be found at

www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/F131695





DESCRIPTION BY SELLER


I have a 1945 pinnace for sale for offers in the reigion of £4,000
 

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Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 09 February 2007 at 4:23pm
OK one more for the road.

Advertised on www.boatsforsaleuk.co.uk

This advert seems to have been on for a longtime now so I don't now if it is still current?



DESCRIPTION BY SELLER

32' Sea plane Tender 1
£8,000 (Eight thousand)only.
32' Seaplane Tender. Cruised, lived on and loved for the past 4 years. Built in 1938 by British Powerboat Company, Hythe for Imperial Airways. Designed by Hubert Scott-Paine (former world-speed record holder) and T. E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia). Double diagonal planing teak hull, based on scaled-down Vosper patrol-boat lines, in excellent condition, demonstrating true pre-war quality. Twin turbo diesels on V-drives. Hydraulic trim tabs. Volvo Penta controls. Dual controls. Hydraulic steering. Beautifully fitted mahogany interior. Full headroom throughout with plenty of storage. Shorepower, oven, hob, fridge, sea-toilet, sink basin, califorier/boiler. Would benefit from re-wiring, which is a project I've not yet had time for. Current BW Boat Safety Certificate.
A rare and appreciating classic. Lying Canary Wharf, London. Overseas posting forces sale a.s.a.p.



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Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 09 February 2007 at 4:34pm
Hi d-zine,

The little 32' one above is mine now.  The advert is 4 years old  I guess.

Well done for finding the ST (ebay item 16008313492). She is very interesting. I think the S6-M's were 120-130hp.   I've asked for photos and if I get some, I'll put them up on the site.

The 1945 pinnace looks good too.  A nice little collection.

Cheers


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Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 09 February 2007 at 5:07pm
Hi Don,

I have a collection of information that I keep meaning to post or bin to clear my desk top. Glad to hear that the 32' is your 32'.

How about making a mini registry of all the seaplane tenders that are discovered on these pages so that the are not lost again in the mists of time.

I mean to do the same thing for the RTTL's, it would be nice to know the where abouts of the survivors and to have a precise record for those that haven't made it and there is always the chance of turning up a suprise ie DARK SCOUT - found that chasing after the SARO RTTL's.

My job will be a lot easier as there were only 21 RTTL's Mk Ia,Ib & II.

Sorry to hear about your Benetti.


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Posted By: marksaab
Date Posted: 09 February 2007 at 5:09pm

Hi

Think Ebay number was missing a digit, should be 160083134923

Be interesting to see what it goes for!

Boats and outboards site is a pain, they leave boats on for years cos the contact number they want you to call is a premium rate one!!

Mark 



Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 09 February 2007 at 5:14pm
Don't be tempted Mark..lol


Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 09 February 2007 at 5:23pm
Thanks D-Zine.  There are so many ST's still out there. Perhaps an owners club!!

Some depressing photos of the Benetti at:
        www.rania.co.uk/benettifire/

I should have checked the yard had cover for a boat her size ( they didn't).  It was hidden in the small print  - in French!

I'm only annoyed as it buggers up any chance of buying a bigger  WW2 boat for the forseeable. Oh well, ces't le vie. Merde happens  as they say.   Back to Seaplane tenders....

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Posted By: jimmy p
Date Posted: 10 February 2007 at 1:21am

There was an almost identical pinnace on hayling island.

 Rougher than this one but complete & afloat. emailed chichester harbour conservancy about it but no reply, they want it gone tho.

 Pics on pdf but i'll try & post em. Yard number on its 3816 if anyone knows more



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Posted By: johnk
Date Posted: 10 February 2007 at 8:23am

Hi Don,

 

Just had a look at the pics of the Benetti fire, very sorry to see what a b...gger!.

 

John



Posted By: clive
Date Posted: 10 February 2007 at 10:08pm

Cheers Don,

 I knew I had seen it somewhere before.

 May I take this opportunity to congratulate you on your photo collection and also quality/progerss on your ST



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Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 10 February 2007 at 10:56pm
Thanks  for your  kind comments. It's a slooow restoration but we  hope to get her in the water this summer ( at Lowestoft).

Cheers


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Posted By: marksaab
Date Posted: 14 February 2007 at 10:14am
Hi Don

Just accidentally deleted a long message....again....

Well the highlights of it were:

Don't worry I'm not tempted to go e.baying...yet!

My boat is probably a ships boat, Christian put me onto Philip who very kindly agreed to put out some research feelers...hope to hear more soon. 

Started cleaning up mine, part jet washed by girlfriend on Sunday (the boat that is ), i have a .pdf with lots of pics that I can e.mail you. She is defiantly double diagonal planked on the chine only, the sides are VERTICAL planked! Not sure why yet.

Found a potentially good source of bits I may need at Woods of Crediton.

More work to do this weekend. I may be tapping you up for info on replacing planks....but that may be a while yet! I would be interesed in seeing how your ST is getting on if your up for visitors?! 

I really want to save her but my budget is limited (aren't they all!) if she is really bad and not rare then I may not be able to, not a penny gets spent till I know who/what she is...hope that doesn't sound too callous.

Mark



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Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 16 February 2007 at 1:08am
Hi Mark,
If you get some photos, email me (don@rania.co.uk) andf I'll try to stick them on a page for you.    I'll be glad to offer what little advice I can but please don't take it as Gospel.   She'll be a cracker when she's  done.
Keep the faith!!

Cheers
Don


Posted By: marksaab
Date Posted: 16 February 2007 at 3:44pm

Hi Don

I have e.mailed the info sheet I knocked up.

I have over 150 pics on my Photobucket site now!  I would still like to post a link direct to it so everyone who's interested can see them.

Doing more cleaning up/out this weekend, once i have all the grotty interior out I will know a lot more, its amazing how much comes to light when you start really getting stuck in!

Hopefully Philip and his "group" will have some ID info, still mystified by the vertical diagonal planking, I can almost see how the boat would act like a concertina in any sort of seas! 

Regards

Mark

 



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Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 20 February 2007 at 12:14am

http://s117.photobucket.com/albums/o71/marksaab/House%20Boats/ - http://s117.photobucket.com/albums/o71/marksaab/House%20Boat s/

Houseboats

http://s117.photobucket.com/albums/o71/marksaab/Seaplane%20Tender/ - http://s117.photobucket.com/albums/o71/marksaab/Seaplane%20T ender/

Seaplane Tender



Posted By: marksaab
Date Posted: 20 February 2007 at 9:40am

Thanks Christian

I finally figured out that i could do it with a simple link last night, I didnt do it cos it allowed access to my other albums!!  No worries I dont think my girlfriend will be too bothered about our New Years party pics being public 

BTW what do you think about my first modelling effort? Nearly finished, I think we post on the same Mayhem Website!

Mark



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Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 20 February 2007 at 10:02am

Hi Mark

I changed the link to houseboats and ST pics only.

Very nice Slo-Mo, been keeping up to date on your progress on Mayhem (my user name there is CDSC123).

B Rgds,

 

 



Posted By: marksaab
Date Posted: 20 February 2007 at 10:13am

Cheers Christian

Exciting news ref boat sales, acquisitions etc I bet Sentley's mailbox has never been so busy!

BTW I dug out my old pics for Philip's new book, I will make up a quick contact sheet and post a few soon.

Mark

 

 



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Posted By: S R Wilson
Date Posted: 20 February 2007 at 1:50pm

Hi Mark,

To right but if we end up with 506 in grey it will certainly have been worth every up and down that we will undoubtedly go through before that happens.

It makes me feel like an excited school boy again. The other point is the amount of unselfish help offered. If only the whole world could live like that well...... but it won't happen.



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Posted By: marksaab
Date Posted: 21 February 2007 at 6:43pm

Hi All

Working late so time for a bit of scanning!

First pics below date from Summer 1980

I am assuming this is/was a Whaleback design?

The boat in the background, serial number 2605 was being worked on by the owner, he was replacing an engine, one of three, which had just broken its crankshaft, apparently he had fully rebuilt the hull which had previously been in the same condition as the one in the foreground.

Fast forward to approx 1988

Went back to Woodbridge

Foreground boat now houseboat and (sorry if I offend!) starting the slow road to decline, but the 2605 boat still looking good, incl heavy compressor on deck!

One other pic, not sure about ID but also in background could be a Fairmile??

Quite a few more pics to scan including the slow decline of the Meadway and Ryde Queens, starting from 1972..I think and some more patrol/house boats in York 1991, also some from Malta 1985.

Be nice to know what happened to the Woodbridge "pair" may even pop up there this weekend.

Mark

  

 



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Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 21 February 2007 at 8:04pm

Hi Mark

Superb pictures, please keep them coming. I'll try to find out the IDs of the Whalebacks, in the meantime here is a more recent picture of BPB Co Hants & Dorset HSL 2605 (heavily modified to reduce freeboard aft for diving ops) but I do not have a date or location, perhaps someone can help? (the boat next to her is called Shannon, from Newcastle);

 

Rgds, Christian. 




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