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Dark Biter 1/24th scale model

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Topic: Dark Biter 1/24th scale model
Posted By: Jeremy
Subject: Dark Biter 1/24th scale model
Date Posted: 04 March 2012 at 12:04pm
Hi, this is my first post on the site. My main interest is model boats especially MTBs and ASR's.

I am currently making Nautical Marine Models version of Dark Biter. I am trying to get information on two specific aspects of the the boat. First is the shape and position of the exhausts. I know they are on the sides hence the reason for the early paint job but I can find no close up pictures of them. They are not depicted on the model at all.

Second is the access to the cockpit. In the model there are ladder/steps at the rear of the superstructure between the side and the radar mast. However they lead to nothing. Does anybody know if there was a door or other access to the cockpit area.It would seem strange if the only way of getting from the cockpit to the deck was internal particularily as it would make the floor space in the cockpit limited. All the pictures of any of the Dark Class boats seem to be side on or from the forward quarter. I cannot seem to find any that show the rear of the superstructure?

Any help, pictures or diagrams would be appreciated.




Jeremy






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Posted By: Pioneer
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 8:19am
There is quite an extensive thread on the Dark class on the Veterans Forum http://cfv.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=215 - Here  (2pages), with this particular model being reviewed http://cfv.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=168 - HERE

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Posted By: Jeremy
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 11:31am
Thanks for that. Ive seen both but stangely they do not cover the points I'm trying to check. The exhausts in the picture were specific to that boat and not to P1104. Never mind I will keep looking


Posted By: Pioneer
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 11:46am
Although there are several images of the unique 'all welded Alloy' HMS Dark Scout, on page two of that first link there are a few images of a 'standard' Dark built for the Swedish navy plus some views of the lone Japanese 'Dark' PT9. These images show the positions of the exhausts both Port and St'bd.

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Posted By: Jeremy
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 12:07pm
Ill have a closer look, many thanks


Posted By: Jeremy
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 12:21pm
Found the exhausts now I only need access to the cockpit!!!!


Posted By: Pioneer
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 12:49pm
On this web site there is a brief glimpse of the Bridge http://www.bmpt.org.uk/other_boats_history/Dark%20Class/index2.htm - sroll down http://www.bmpt.org.uk/other_boats_history/Dark%20Class/index2.htm -
  While this is a view of the http://cfv.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=48 - Bridge of a model 'Gay' class - not too disimilar layout.


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Posted By: Jeremy
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 6:00pm
Thanks for that. I actually found a slightly obscured shot of the Access Door on the Dark Class thread+ Nautical Marine Models also confirmed its existence. Not sure if Ill put it in but will certainly add the exhausts.


Posted By: Jeremy
Date Posted: 29 April 2012 at 11:55am
Dear Administrator my apologies but I just realised that there is a modelling section on the website where I should have posted thisEmbarrassed. Please move if you feel its appropriate? I have another question. What flags would have been flown on a dark Class when on day to day patrol and where would they be flown from?


Posted By: peter m
Date Posted: 20 August 2012 at 10:43pm
re access to the cockpit. it is on the starboard. there is a photo on David Mills website.
  http://www.dave-mills.yolasite.com/saro-dark-class-mtbs.php - www.dave-mills.yolasite.com/saro-dark-class-mtbs.php
I have just started to build NMModels kit but will do it as Dark Aggressor.

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Posted By: Jeremy
Date Posted: 28 September 2012 at 11:27am
Only Just seen your post. I had seen this picture. It seems that there were differences between boats coming from the same yard. Agresssor and Biter were both from Saro but I notice that the mast is completely different from Biter? For some reason I decided to model it on the port side. I also had to drop the floor of the cockpit to get scale figures to stand up. This would have been a lot easier if I'd realised it was too shallow before I'd built it!!!! Due to various reasons mainly health related I have been very slow in finishing mine but it should not be too long before she is ready for the water. I will post some pics when she's finished. My only problem at the moment is I have no idea what flags/pennants to fly. I presume she would have flown a white ensign from either the mast or from a post at the stern? I notice from pictures of her at speed that she is flying several flags from the mast head , one of which is a X on a dark background, but I have no idea of colours? I really would like to get these right on my model as flags like crew make for realism?( I currently have 2 Vietnam Vets crewing mine as have run out of funds to purchase RN crew)



Jeremy


Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 28 September 2012 at 2:01pm
Did you sharpen up the blunt bow? I think the blunt bow spoils what would otherwise be a fine hull.


Posted By: Jeremy
Date Posted: 28 September 2012 at 6:41pm
Hi Christian
Strangely enough I had not noticed that though now you mention it I can see what you mean. I have inadvertently added a slightly more pointed profile to the deck and rubbing strip around it that when veiwed from many angles gives the impression of a sharper bow.

The modifications that I have made are the inclusion of the infamous exhausts ( They are just dummies and the exact position has been guestimated from pictures), the door to the bridge, the models steps run up to a blank wall!, and I am currently producing the cover/rain guard for the front hatch from copper wire and an old hankie. I have also painted it with an all black hull as when I did the half grey scheme it did not look right. I have used white pennant numbers on the hull but I believe that they should infact be white with a red border but that can be changed later. My only real task now, apart from sailing it, is to find out what flags and pennants would have been flown.

All in all I think its a great model.The quality of all the resin and metal mouldings are well up to par. In fact better than most. It is simple enough to build without any extras, but also lends itself to a whole host of add ons to make it more realistic. I am still considering a klaxon on the front of the cockpit along with the air vents and grills on the side. Problem is where to stop???? From what I can gather on water performance should be quite good with the suggested running gear.

Jeremy



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