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>5 tons of mahogany weigh about 5 tons

Quite so, and well done you on pointing that out - I thought you'd said how much you'd got somewhere, I just couldn't see it :)
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not really wanting to get into too much of a debate about this but if it was that easy to make money on the world wood market I'm sure there would be more people doing it. also if the plan is to bring the wood over on 506 then will she handle the extra weight  and how much extra diesel will it use? also what if she stays in (or under) the Med.

 Do you need a licence to import hardwooods?

 I recon Paul could be right, re tanalised wood and epoxy, ASCO is epoxied, she is reputed to be a fine vessel.
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You are right of course epoxy is fine , however you have to find something to epoxy to, and im just not sure that’s possible with the 1262.

My take on the timber import situation is that in the UK and member stated of the E.U. licences are required to import certain restricted species of hardwood. However Malta has just joined the E.U. and not all import restrictions are in place, E.G they are being phased in to give Malta time to adapt.

There will be rules to stop people buying it to make money on I bet.

Now I have no idea what the situation would be to buy timber from Malta and bring it to the UK to sell on, however as any of you who have bought items from within another E.U member state for their own personal use know, as long as you have a receipt issued in a E.U member state then you’re ok. E.G no more duty or paperwork. All this is assuming it truly is mahogany.

Of course before I go down that route I would check it out properly. No it would not be practical to bring it back on the 506, think of the insurance claim!! However I suspect she could take the weight without problems. Consider the weight of ford engines vrs Packard’s!! the main gun alone weighed around a ton and I have no idea what the torp tubes weigh. She will be several tone lighter than she was a few months ago anyway.
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Hi there,

 

All good stuff above, interesting re MASB 32 shipping back here, not to bad I guess, lot safer that steaming her back!, pity you could not consider the delights of the River Medway, we have Thamesport container terminal, despite the name it is on the Medway. Regards mahogany, interesting bit on the National Historic Ships site on Cutty Sark, they are getting thiers from a 19th century hospital being demolished in India!, well, with all that money going in, you can do a lot. Oh well, as said before, we can but dream, with all that timber how many repairs and replicas we could do....

 

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Originally posted by johnk johnk wrote:

 interesting bit on the National Historic Ships site on Cutty Sark, they are getting thiers from a 19th century hospital being demolished in India!,

 

I believe Medusa is using a similar source, thiers is the decks of an old passenger liner scrapped in India, I believe about 12 tons of teak!
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Hi Rozm2,

Indeed, now you mention it you are quite right, Medusa is doing that, so with a bit of thought, it is possible to get hold of this sort of timber, not sure of course about costs though, and they have secured and are spending a lottery grant, but they are doing a superb job and using quality timber will ensure the vessel will last in good shape, far better than origionally built I suspect, given wartime conditions and variable quality of supplies.

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Hi its me again,

all this talk of real mahogany is making me drool over my PC. I do agree with northeastuser about his sums. A 60ft Pinnace diaplaces 24.5 tons in operational trim, so after deducting weight of fuel, engines and fresh water, mast, winch and various fittings, she will still weigh in around 12 tons- a lot of mahogany and brass screws.

I do have access to about 6 reconditioned ex military Perkins C.6s complete with gearboxes if anyone out there is interested.

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Hello Donald,

Are these S6's? I may be looking for a pair for 365 or a set of 4 cyl  diesels for my little 32' BPB boat.

Please pm me if you can help.

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Hi Donald,

 please excuse my ignorance, how much hp do theese perkins have  and are they marinised?

 I have two handed perkins H/L 6354 turbo with 1:1 bourgwarners. Any takers?

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"I do agree with northeastuser about his sums"

  you mean you agree with the bit where I said they were crap!!

  Seriously, how much do you think the stripped 1262 weighs?

 

I wonder if they will take her back and give me the CofA?
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