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Hi again,

the wartime construction of RAF HSLs was mainly in the hands of the British Power Boat Company for the simple reason that Hubert Scott Paine had to fight a long battle with the then MOD to have his designs accepted.  The 'old boy' network was stacked against him in Admiralty circles with Peter Du Caine of Vospers. Thornycrofts yard aslo had a long history with the Navy and their designs too were favoured over Scotty's.

The main factor for the delay in fulfilling the RAFs ASR requirement was engines as the Navy had first call on all high speed petrol marine engines such as Thornycroft RY12, Packards, and until Italy entered the war, Isotto Franchinis.  Had the BPC not entered into an agreement with Napier Aero Engines to produce a marinised version of their LION then virtually no engines would have benn available to them.  They had a similar arrangement with Meadows for the smaller power plants.  Fortunately slower RAF marine craft could use diesels and this enabled the Ministry of Aircraft Production to order GS., ASR and GD Pinnaces by using Gardiner and Perkins engines.

When Vospers built their fifteen 73ft HSLs for the RAF, they used twoThornycroft RY12s as the main engines, and Vosper/Ford V.8 as auxilliaries.  The Thornycroft 67ft HSL (which were the most numerous of all wartime HSL) were powere by their own engines.

The British Power Boat Company had also been promised an unlimited supply of Rolls Royce Merlins for marinisation around which they had produced new designs, but the War Dept bagged all R/R production for aircraft.

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Ahh that explains a lot, the dreaded human element. Thank you for that.

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Hi Chris,
Thought you'd like to see this.



Cheers


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Don, Thanks very much for the photo, I'll pass it on to the owner, I'm sure he would love to see it.  For photographs of how she looks 60 years later.

http://www.chris-hanley.bravehost.com/

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Nice pics Chris! She does look pretty good but seems to be at the that critical point where she will go downhill pretty quickly if TLC isnt forthcoming! 

To have survived so long in such original condition is amazing..have you or the owner looked at getting one of these emergency grants from the historic ships register?  Its been discussed here a few times may be worthwhile trying to secure some money even if she is for sale.

Only yield when you must, never "give up the ship," but fight on to the last "with a stiff upper lip!"
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I was not aware that such a grant is available, please tell me more?  However I must say that if the boat were sold in the near future as I hope it will, it would be better if the money was to go to the new owner and they get the benefit.

It is interesting comparing the wartime photograph and her present appearance.  Apart from the larger windows in the rear cabin/saloon and the lack of machine gun turrets the shape and form of the boat has remained the same.  Although the tabernacle is still in place the mast unfortunately disappeared a few years ago. 

Much of the woodwork panelling in the “wardroom” is I think original.   One of my photographs shows the polished mahogany cocktail cabinet.  The lower part opens out and is complete with square holes to accommodate the gin bottles!

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The national historic ship register has small grants available for emergency work on vessels on their list. The Pinnace is eligible to go on their list. There are other pinnaces on there. The Asco for example.

I have had a good look at the pictures and was wondering if you could answer a question .In the picture of the end of the main cabin it shows the deck planking at the end of the fore deck.

It looks like the deck dips down towards the cabin as it approaches the step to the aft deck. Is this just an optical illusion of the camera or does the deck indeed sag at this point? The run of the deck planking seems to suggest a sag.

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Hi Chris

Here is a link. http://www.nhsc.org.uk/

Have a look and follow the other links, just ask if you need more info, other members know a lot more about than me!

Mark

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Originally posted by Chris_Hanley Chris_Hanley wrote:

I was not aware that such a grant is available, please tell me more?  However I must say that if the boat were sold in the near future as I hope it will, it would be better if the money was to go to the new owner and they get the benefit.

It is interesting comparing the wartime photograph and her present appearance.  Apart from the larger windows in the rear cabin/saloon and the lack of machine gun turrets the shape and form of the boat has remained the same.  Although the tabernacle is still in place the mast unfortunately disappeared a few years ago. 

Much of the woodwork panelling in the “wardroom” is I think original.   One of my photographs shows the polished mahogany cocktail cabinet.  The lower part opens out and is complete with square holes to accommodate the gin bottles!

Chris

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[QUOTE=Chris_Hanley]

I was not aware that such a grant is available, please tell me more?  However I must say that if the boat were sold in the near future as I hope it will, it would be better if the money was to go to the new owner and they get the benefit.

It is interesting comparing the wartime photograph and her present appearance.  Apart from the larger windows in the rear cabin/saloon and the lack of machine gun turrets the shape and form of the boat has remained the same.  Although the tabernacle is still in place the mast unfortunately disappeared a few years ago. 

Much of the woodwork panelling in the “wardroom” is I think original.   One of my photographs shows the polished mahogany cocktail cabinet.  The lower part opens out and is complete with square holes to accommodate the gin bottles!

Chris

[Hi Chris,

These boats did not have tabernacles the masts were far biger and mounted through the deck onto a step which was strung between the centre engine bearers.

regds tony]

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