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For people who have served I think there is one thing they will agree on and that is that the people who make the decisions never learn from the past and that is how it was "The day war broke out" when there were no M.G.B.'s there were only M.A.S.B.'s & M.T.B.'s it was quickly realised that for the M.T.B.'s to be able to attaak a convoy it required a "Gun action" to draw away the protecting E- Boats and the M.A.S.B.'S were converted to M.G.B.'s. When the purpose built M.G.B.'s came on line in 1942, the M.A.S.B's like Clives went on to do other thing's and then in 1943 the "lightbulb moment" happened and they combined both roles hence the re- numbering. of course this lesson was forgotten when the Falklands blew up and we sent the all missile boats like Broadsword down which found out that you still need a big  gun and the all singing all dancing missile systems had their shortcomings and that is why the Navy got rid of all missile ship's, unfortunatly it was the crew's of the ship's that paid the price
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I do think that we have become a little 'off Topic' here and I will certainly hold my hand up as prime instigator - but what is really required is that Volume 3 of JL&AR's 'bibles' to be published to clear up once and for all the 'renumbering' - of the BPB's in particular.
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Not Really, in my veiw I hope it clears up the rational behind the change of role that some of the early Coastal Forces boats went through due to errors in Naval policy which are repeated to this day, it is after all a discussion forum isn't it?
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A discussion 'Forum' it certainly is - off 'Topic' now, Yes!

Please begin another 'thread' to discuss the wider issues that you raise - it is a difficult point to make - but as we know 'pondskater' originally asked for information regarding his Father's boat - MGB 112.

The reasoning now is that the discussion has moved beyond his request - but some sort of discipline must be observed otherwise his quest maybe lost among 'our' verbosity.
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Christian my dear chap, thank you for the picture it is very similar to the one I remember from my younger days. Unfortunately it was not found when I went through my fathers photo's, many others have been lost as well. I messed up with your reply and managed to loose the picture from the E-mail but as I was going through the replies in the forum luckily it was still there I is just what I was hoping for, Thanks again
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Hi Lofty

My e-mail had no photo attachment, my comment relating to a photo was about the one contained in your e-mail which was forwarded to me, which was a Fairmile C MGB in the 312-335 number series, and easily confused with Fairmile B ML 112. This I believe has been the confusion from the outset. I will send you all the photos I have of the BPB 71'6" MGBs like MGB 112 tomorrow, they aren't very good but every little helps when model making.

Regards, Christian.  
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This model kit was officially launched onto the market today (text and photo from Model Boat Mayhem);
 
Dear Modellers
 Deans Marine wish to announcethe latest addition to the range of fast launch kits.
 Details on our website opening page.  deansmarine.co.uk

  B.P.C.  71.6"  MOTOR GUN BOAT  77.     74 Type
 Following the design of the SGB and its shortcomings, The Admiralty working in conjunction
with British power Boats designed a MGB  to fill similar duties but with the simpler
construction than that of the SGB design.
 In 1941 the type 74 design was produced with similar lines to the 1938 PV design but with a
considerably stronger structure. This batch is based on one of this group commanded by Lt
Cmd Hitchens of “E Boat alley” fame.
 The success of this design resulted in a second order in 1942 for the craft with order for
boats from numbers 107 -176.
 They were powered with 3 shafts  x 3  Packard engines giving 4,050 BHP with a top speed
of 42 knots in good condition.
Weapon fit was one 2pdr gun and a twin 20mm powered mount and two twin 303 Vickers or
Lewis gun on pedestal mountings. She carried a compliment of 12 officers and crew
 The model of this craft, one of the fastest M.G.Bs. to serve during W.W.11, with a top speed
of over 40 knots.

         DETAILS OF THE KIT
1/24th scale   Length.  920mm                 Beam. 270mm
Glass fibre detailed hull
1.5mm Plastic deck and superstucture    1mm Printed plastic details
Vacformed details, Main cabin,  liferafts, gun mounts, Moulded motor mounts
Pre-printed deck panels
Full metal fittings set     Cast resine fittings
Stainless steel Propshafts, propellers,  & skegs
NEW   Full size full colour plan WITH EMBEDDED HI RESOLUTION COLOUR PHOTOS and full colour detailing of
metal, plastic and resine parts.
Pre- cut waterproof vinyl Decals set.
Digitally printed instruction book, plus C/ D information
 A C/D containing all the pictures (approx 300)  taken during construction of  ALL the prototype models is available from
Deans Marine.
 Please send a Blank C/D (still sealed) plus cost of return postage and payment for  £12..00 and we will  copy all the jpeg
pictures for assistance in construction.  £10..00 refund on the purchase of a kit.
 This is a works C/D and contains all the pictures , alterations, and changes to the prototype models. There is no written
text or explanation notes on the files.
 As in all of the Deans range, the on the water performance is outstanding.
    Regards
      Deans Marine team



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Now thats a nice looking vessel.
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pioneer,

I'm sitting in Naples FL with my dear friend Jimmy Shadbolt (MGB111-MTB430-MTB412-MTB483 IN COMMAND)

We would like to know if you remember Jimmy and what is your involvement with MGB/MTB's?

Your reference to MGB112 and Derick Sidebottom raised my interest!

On April 19th 1943 MGB112, 111 (John Mathias in command) I was 1st Lt. with Hichens in the battle off the Hook of Holland when Hitch was killed.

Hope to hear from you in due haste.
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Hello 'jamie483mtb'

Welcome aboard shipmate - I hope you enjoy the trip.

I shall send you a 'Private Message' regarding my involvement etc.

As you will have read, this 'thread' was begun by 'pondskater' asking for details of his father's boat -MGB112- I am not aware that much info has been gathered except of course the modelling opportunities etc - can you assist 'pondskater'?

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