RAF Pinnace 1262
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Printed Date: 26 March 2026 at 8:44pm
Topic: RAF Pinnace 1262
Posted By: Pioneer
Subject: RAF Pinnace 1262
Date Posted: 21 June 2006 at 3:57pm
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Free- Free - Free!! Yes this craft is free to those wishing to move and take on a very long term restoration project. Further details available from Jon Addison on 01294-278283 - or at mailto:curator@scotmaritime.org.uk - curator@scotmaritime.org.uk ------------- Pioneer - Forum Moderator |
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Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 21 June 2006 at 8:50pm
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Only out of curiosity, but have they a decent picture of her in her current state. Cheers ------------- Don Only a number, not even a name. How shall posterity hear of thy fame? |
Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 21 June 2006 at 9:33pm
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Posted By: rozm2
Date Posted: 21 June 2006 at 10:22pm
So it's not the other photo I found on the NHSC website, looking pretty respectable. So what's the story behind this one you knowledgable lot! 
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Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 21 June 2006 at 10:29pm
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Jeez, how did it go from looking good to that. Did they get it in that condition? ------------- Don Only a number, not even a name. How shall posterity hear of thy fame? |
Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 22 June 2006 at 8:11am
| According to Donald Smith RAF Marine Craft Historian she was neglected over a period of some years and finally broke her back.These boats are prone to doing that,I can think of a few others.Major work required to get her seaworthy,although I think it more likely she'll end up as houseboat on a mud berth with a portacabin instead of her original superstructure. |
Posted By: rozm2
Date Posted: 22 June 2006 at 10:28am
| Blimey, sad story, she's got such good lines, beautiful ship, as you say, amazing it's gone between the two conditions, the fully painted version looks great, so how would the broken back be rectified and how much would it cost? perhaps this website shows some of what could be done and how she could look! http://www.worldwartwoboats.com/ - http://www.worldwartwoboats.com/ |
Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 22 June 2006 at 10:59am
| Indeed,Asco is a sistership and is the best owner-restoration I've ever seen together with Gay Archer.Fixing a broken back is a shipwright's task,possibly could be done with external stiffeners and an epoxy sheathing job which would mean a rebuild may not be necessary but best to ask a pro.(contact Asco restoration team?) First task is to have surveyor take a look. If only she could be trailered down south a bit then Trevera25 may take her on,instead of an abandoned MTB which is what he's looking for. |
Posted By: rozm2
Date Posted: 22 June 2006 at 3:06pm
| So how much approx would it cost to repair professionally, how would it be done if it were really done properly and the broken piece replaced in full? I must agree by the way, I'd be a very proud owner if had asco, a brilliant job, really nicely done, no corners have ben cut there! What's the deal with epoxy sheathing, everyone seems to recomend it, I, with my VERY limited knowledge would have thought it wouldn't help, making the boat rot faster due to keeping the damp in and not allowing the timbers to "breath"? |
Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 22 June 2006 at 3:22pm
| Cost would be dependant on whether she needs a rebuild,this I think is the key question and needs a surveyor/shipwright to answer.Savings could be made if you can accomodate her in a field or some such rather than a boatyard and have non-proffessional workers with a proffessional taskmaster,the epoxy sheathing process is highly technical and as you say the level of moisture in the wood and it's condition are critical to a good outcome,but the result if done properly can be truly spectacular (see HSL102) check out Wessex Resins And Adhesives website for more info (also called West Resin) this is the right stuff to use |
Posted By: rozm2
Date Posted: 22 June 2006 at 6:40pm
| Sorry to carry on but I think this sort of stuff is fascinating, unfortunatley I don't have any space to put it where it could be got to anyway, plenty of time, willingness to learn and not a lot of money. but anyway, I presume that it couldn't be lifted as is due to the broken back? Any chance of some approx figures being put to the cost of repairs? |
Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 22 June 2006 at 6:47pm
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I don't think anyone could even guess without seeing her or at the very least a few dozen good photos. At a guess, start at £40k and work up. Depends what you do yourself and the state of the existing timbers. ------------- Don Only a number, not even a name. How shall posterity hear of thy fame? |
Posted By: Jim
Date Posted: 22 June 2006 at 10:17pm
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I stay about 30 miles away.....where is she in Irvine? the marina?...if so I could get some pics on Sunday !
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Posted By: rozm2
Date Posted: 23 June 2006 at 12:59pm
| I suspect she'd be tucked away out of public view at the maritime museum, have a look on http://www.multimap.com - www.multimap.com where it shows the location of that. If not you could always ask and they'd probably tell you where you can see it from. It'd be good if you could get some photos. So what sort of costs would be involved in moving her, lifting and moving via road, or would it be better to get her towed via water? |
Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 23 June 2006 at 2:36pm
| Don-can you get a quote from your mate who moved Caprella?That's another sistership so he'll know exactly what's involved. |
Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 24 June 2006 at 2:07pm
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Hi Christian, Move her to where? Is anyone actually interested in buying her ? Here is a reply from Mike Porter re the Pinnace 1262 "During a particularly hard winter about seven years ago, 1262 was badly vandalised and sank, the river froze over, and of course the water inside her froze and expanded causing even more damaged, when she was recovered it was discovered that her back was broken. They have a full set of plans for 1262, including her trailer" Anyone interested in her. I'll find out what I can. I've emailed him for the location. ------------- Don Only a number, not even a name. How shall posterity hear of thy fame? |
Posted By: rozm2
Date Posted: 26 June 2006 at 4:01pm
| I am interested but don't want to waste people's time in trying to find out info, sound like she's a bit far gone but I'd at least be interested to hear more info, like is she complete, original engines, interior fittings etc, some idea of costs to move her, what's involved to sort out the broken back, does it in volve dismantling the whole vessel and getting to back to a kit form then putting her back together. If I wer to go for a project like this I'd need to buy a little patch of land somewhere to put her on, I wouldn't want the burden of having something where if I didn't have any money one month I'd have to think about boatyard fees/land rental, and had no option due to costs of moving her but to pay. Anyway, if people don't mind I'd be interested to hear more but please don't go out of your way! I've been here before and the problem is where to put them, the last one was an 800 ton monster this is a mere 20 tons and hence is a more practical proposition but is still a huge undertaking, maybe I should be sensible and stick to my fleet of old landrovers, but then if everyone did that these historic vessels would all be lying in the mud gradually rotting away! Also has anyone got any specs for these craft, crew, speed, fuel capacity sizes etc? |
Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 26 June 2006 at 5:10pm
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I honestly think this one is really too far gone. She was frozen under water and left exposed in the elements for 7 years. It's a real shame but she is scrap now. ------------- Don Only a number, not even a name. How shall posterity hear of thy fame? |
Posted By: rozm2
Date Posted: 26 June 2006 at 5:26pm
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Has she still got all the gear inside or has she been stripped? is anyone close enough to go and have a quick peek at her general condition? |
Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 26 June 2006 at 8:00pm
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I asked the guy from the museum was the photo a particularly bad photo. His answer was "no, it isn't just the photo, she is rotten through and through" ------------- Don Only a number, not even a name. How shall posterity hear of thy fame? |
Posted By: rozm2
Date Posted: 26 June 2006 at 9:08pm
| Ok fair enough, I give up, how about the MTB at southampton that's currently sunk? |
Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 27 June 2006 at 11:13am
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Good photos of the Pinnace from BMPT Botas for sale: http://www.bmpt.org.uk/boats%20for%20sale/Pinnace1262/index. htm ------------- Don Only a number, not even a name. How shall posterity hear of thy fame? |
Posted By: rozm2
Date Posted: 27 June 2006 at 11:32am
| They are pretty good photo's, I think the conclusion is correct, a little too far gone, though I see no reason a museum couldn't paint her up and put her on dry land? Looks like she's been stripped of all the little bits that would be so annoying when restoring eg portholes etc. Link didn't seem to work by the way, but if anyone's interested just go to http://www.bmpt.org.uk - www.bmpt.org.uk and click on boats for sale and she's the top one. |
Posted By: Pioneer
Date Posted: 27 June 2006 at 3:32pm
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If you 'click' on the bmpt logo at the top of the pages you will get to the home page - then as 'rozm' states - click on Boats etc ------------- Pioneer - Forum Moderator |
Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 27 June 2006 at 3:36pm
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Sorry, a space before the '.htm' sneaked in on the paste. The link is: http://www.bmpt.org.uk/boats%20for%20sale/Pinnace1262/index. htm ------------- Don Only a number, not even a name. How shall posterity hear of thy fame? |
Posted By: Pathfinder
Date Posted: 29 June 2006 at 9:29am
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Hi everyone, Watch the BMPT website "Boats for Sale" site...another pinnace about to go on there...!! ------------- Pathfinder - Forum Moderator |
Posted By: rozm2
Date Posted: 30 June 2006 at 5:18pm
Do reveal more?
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Posted By: northeastuser
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 11:09pm
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Hello all, has anyone anymore info regarding 1262? Apart from the national maritime museum can anyone point me in the direction of detailed design drawings for this class of vessel |
Posted By: Pathfinder
Date Posted: 19 August 2006 at 6:52am
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Hi, Send your contact phone and email to
mailto:boats@bmpt.org.uk - boats@bmpt.org.uk and I will try to find plans for you.
2 more boats going on the for sale site next week.
Richard Hellyer. ------------- Pathfinder - Forum Moderator |
Posted By: northeastuser
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 2:55pm
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Posted By: northeastuser
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 2:56pm
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Posted By: northeastuser
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 2:56pm
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Posted By: northeastuser
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 2:56pm
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Posted By: northeastuser
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 2:57pm
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Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 4:05pm
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Hello Northeastuser, Detailed restoration of a similar pinnace on site below. http://www.worldwartwoboats.com/ Cheers Don ------------- Don Only a number, not even a name. How shall posterity hear of thy fame? |
Posted By: northeastuser
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 6:51pm
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Yes I have already e-mailed the owner of Asco and intend to phone him as soon as I know for sure that the 1262 is mine.The Asco is amazing. There is a small issue with paper work that has to be attended to by the museum before I can take ownership. Hopefully this wont prove to be a problem. I can say that after visiting the 1262 that she is quite bad. Probably about 70% of her structure remains sound.However after repairing her damage a lot of the original structure such as the hull planking will be unusable.so the original structure may be reduced to as little as 30%. I would not be surprised if im being optimistic about those figures. She needs a new keel and Probably keelson and all chines or large sections of them replaced plus full hull re-planking and new decks.And all of this after she has been straitened out to remove the twist and hog evident in her hull. Iv just re-read this post. Maybe I should just walk away now! |
Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 8:08pm
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Hi, We'll on the debit side, she's a really big job but, on the credit side, you have templates for the missing bits and they are a lovely boat. I don't mean to teach Granny how to suck eggs but I would definitely ( after my last 2 'easy to restore' purchases) get a shipwright to go and have a look before comitting myself. An impartial second opinion is essential (You can always ignore the advice but at least yoiu are aware of the issues). It's often said that the the cheapest part of owning a wooden boat is the purchase price. I hope it works out for you but don't be afraid to walk away. There are plenty of boats out there. Cheers Don ------------- Don Only a number, not even a name. How shall posterity hear of thy fame? |
Posted By: northeastuser
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 9:52pm
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Well she has certain advantages over other boats in better condition. But I guess first I need to have secure ownership before I start the first job of cradling her.(don't even get me started on that one ! )
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