Hi All

I have been collecting 1/72 scale warships for a while now, even though there are few to choose from, perhaps that explains why I have seven "Perkasa" kits, I would love to add some of Vospers Variations, Tenacity, Ferocity, Sabre, Brave, Azteca etc, but these will have to be scratch built, I would be very greatful for any help in locating and obtaining plans with hull shapes and profiles ect.

regards

mike.

Hello Mike

I thought someone may have replied by now - what I will try and dig out is the web site for the Plastic Modellers -Their monthly Newsletter really is full of the detail that you may require when building in the smaller scales.I'll try and find it later today

Best Of Luck

Regards

Mike

This is the link you may require- http://www.smallwarshipgroup.org.uk - www.smallwarshipgroup.org.uk when you arrive 'click' previous issues and see if the vessel or boats that you wish to model are listed in any of the index's -then just follow the instructions for getting a copy of the article you require. Highly recommended

Regards   

Hi Pioneer

They certianly have the Brave class covered in several issues, and some info on the German versions, I was not expecting there to be much avalible for some of the protatype boats, there is more onthis site than most, The Azteca seems the most difficult to track, I found some images on the Mexican Navy site but not much else, I know there must be more info someware, as this boat has been seen at some of the shows, whish I had been there to grill the owner, thanks for the link, I shall study it in greater detail.

regards

Mike.

here is the model I was refering to

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Hello Mike,

A lovely model - I 've traced her to be of the 22 'Azteca' class of vessels built for the Mexican Navy by various builders- this series were built between Oct 1974 (P 02) and Sept 1976 (P20). The vessel depicted by the model was built by Messrs Ailsa Shipbuilding Co and was Commissioned 19th Dec 1974 and named 'Jose Maria Izazgu' Her Displacement in tons - 130

Length 111ft 8ins Beam 28ft 3ins Draught 6ft 8ins

Powered by 2 x 12 cyl Paxman 'Ventura' Diesels = 24 knts. Complement of 24. The class were ordered by Mexico for Fishery Protection on the 27 March 1973 from Associated British Machine Tool Makers Ltd who sub contracted out 5 builders.

(source - Janes 1979-80)

I have a very poor shot of P-04 at sea if your interested.

Best Regards

Hi Pioneer

Given the scarcity of information on these vessels, I will take all the help I can get, I made contact with a chap in Veracruz yesterday, who has access to these boats, he is going to take lots of photgraphs for me at the weekend, will be great if it all works out well, I dont want to get over enthusiastic in case its a bust.

Do you think if I approched Associated British Machine Tool Makers Ltd, they might let me have a copy of the drawings?

regards

Mike.

Mike

I have found that 'if you don't ask - you don't get' - Yes, do try as apart from the obvious gains that you may receive I also have found that most Coy's like the extra 'coverage' and try and assist even beyond what you would expect.

Do keep us informed Mike

Ted

Hi Ted

Just as an aside, I have found out since my last post, that this ship is made in kit form by Metcalf Mouldings in 1/32 scale under the title P B Azteca, so I have approched them for any drawings they might provide.

As far as I can see Associated British Machine Tool Makers Ltd and nearly all of the sub contractors are out of business or have become part of some larger concern, this could be a long hunt.

Many thanks for your help

Regards

Mike

OK Chaps

Progress report

Metcalf Mouldings were happy to sell me a drawing, but it has no hull lines, this is because they supply the hull, which leads me to wonder how they made the original? my guess is that it was made by a third party.

My contact in Mexico has yet to produce the images, there may be some local problem that end which needs sorting out, but he is a professional person and I have no doubt of his good intentions, besides which it is still early days.

I have now written to Vosper, as they are one of the few contractors that worked on this ship that still survive, in the hope that they may be able to help out with a drawing, after that I am at a bit of a loss as to how else to proceed.

Hello Mike,

As another long shot - have you tried Lambert Plans?

News!

Had an E-Mail from George at the Glasgow University Achives, they have plans on file from one of the Clyde builders, Scotts.

He is looking at how feasable it would be to get a copy made, so I may have this one resolved.

Could be a while before I know as they are not blessed with a huge staff, still fingers crossed eh!

                  Ih Robotski.

I have a drawing of a percass it is 1: 24 scale but to make a brave class just leave the bridge wheelhouse off and lift the exhausts so that they are just below the deck level of the transom. This will be my next model when I have finished Gay Charger.

           Regards all Ted Drum1

E.S.ChildsDrum1 wrote:                     Ih Robotski. I have a drawing of a percass it is 1: 24 scale but to make a brave class just leave the bridge wheelhouse off and lift the exhausts so that they are just below the deck level of the transom. This will be my next model when I have finished Gay Charger.            Regards all Ted Drum1

Hey that sounds great, would also give me option to do a Brave.

Have you seen

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/precedent-perkasa-history-analysis-and-building-instruc_W0QQitemZ130073515612QQihZ003QQcategoryZ140971QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/precedent-perkasa-history-analysis-and -building-instruc_W0QQitemZ130073515612QQihZ003QQcategoryZ14 0971QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Seven day listing on a book that used to be part of the early Precedent Kits, full of detail etc - just click on the above and it should get you there

Regards