H 21. HMS Scimitar, the Destroyer detailed for Convoy T4 (45) but owing to damaged Bow was unable to take her station as lead escort.

K25 HMS Azalea, Flower Class Corvette, the sole escort for Convoy T4 (45). She was unable to react to the attack by the E-boat Squadrons.

This soumds like a massive bs by both sides up to me!!

Hello Julie,

Admiral Moon USN did hold an enquiry shortly after the tradegy in which Admiral Sir Ralph Leatham RN had allowed both CO's of the British ships to attend. But to raise just two points in answer to your question, HMS Azelea's C.O., Lt Cdr Gedder RNR, was asked about the length of time between his first receiving the signal of .."E-boats in the vicinity".. (at midnight, from Plymouth Command) and the eventual attack (at around 2am)- his reply was that it took a long time to decipher the message- Also his assertion that "during the battle he never saw the attacking E-boats", was not questioned in depth (even though E-boats had been picked up on 'Azelea's radar just before the attack began). It must be remembered that the 'Enquiry' was not a formal 'Court Martial' where these 'statements' and 'evidence' from the several other 'witnesses' would certainly have been questioned more thoroughly.

Source- USN NRS601- Tiger File 270752 MOD-

Regards

Intresting Forum re Tiger, ive dived both 507 and 531 wrecks, also layed brass plaques on both of them for the vets, both wrecks are in 50mtrs of water, badly broken but with a large debris field,also trucks and boxes of ammo around both wrecks. Regards. Graham.

Graham Jinks has forwarded two interesting pictures taken during the placing of commemorative plaques upon the wreck of LST 507. Although one is very dark- it is from 50mtrs below- they are both worthy images to assist us in remembering this tragic episode of World War Two

Am interested in contact with any BMPT members that can read German , asking for their help in locating/translating German language military documents relating to Allied activity in the Naples, Italy  area from July 22- August 6,1944.

I can also be contated privately at mailto:cebudragolady@hotmail.com - cebudragolady@hotmail.com

Thanks,

Jonathan P Alter

The BBC Coast Team have been busy last week, filming a show on the Exercise Tiger story,They flew in from the US survivior Steve Saden and his wife Helen for a few days filming at Slapton ,South Devon.  They also took a trip out to the wreck site's ,.the show will be going out next spring, under Bournmouth to Plymouth.

Regards.

Graham Jinks; Seatech Divers.

Hi Pioneer,

I to saw the piece on Coast, guess better than nothing at all but as you say, not an in depth piece.

John

Hello John

My own personal view (not necessary of the bmpt) is that this type of docu-drama 'journalism' - if that is the correct term - will never reflect to 'our'  younger generations just what sacrifices were (and still are) being made so that we can enjoy our way of life. Sad really - but as you say -"guess better than nothing at all"

Ted

Pioneer wrote: Hello John My own personal view (not necessary of the bmpt) is that this type of docu-drama 'journalism' - if that is the correct term - will never reflect to 'our'  younger generations just what sacrifices were (and still are) being made so that we can enjoy our way of life. Sad really - but as you say -"guess better than nothing at all" Ted

As part of the "younger generation", just the slightest bit of information may spark the imagination of someone, If I hadn't spoken to my grandad about an MTB he bought in the 50's to use as a Motor Yacht I would never have joined the forum, got involved with helping on an HDML or have any interest whatever! I think it's a good start to people wanting to know more!