RTTL Models
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Printed Date: 26 March 2026 at 8:57pm
Topic: RTTL Models
Posted By: d-zine
Subject: RTTL Models
Date Posted: 06 January 2007 at 5:48pm
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Has anybody come across the following model before. The box claims it to be a model of 2754 which is a Mk 1b RTTL, however the graphics on the box are not entirely accurate showing one large central windscreen.
The model is dated 1961 which is only 5 years after the boat was commissioned, it looks to me be of Soviet/Russian origin. Any thoughts and are there other of the shelf RTTL models out there, I am not up to building from scratch just yet despite Christians master class. Regards ------------- Advance - Runaway Quickly , Runaway Quickly |
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Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 06 January 2007 at 7:02pm
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Hi d-zine Master classes are courtesy of Ted Childs, but thanks for the compliment. I've not seen that particular kit, I wonder if it is a rebadged Veron kit. The graphics seem very similar (but flipped) to the Dec 1958 magazine cover shown (the boat featured inside is 2753, prior to conversion to Griffons);
And the Veron kit;
Rgds, Christian.
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Posted By: 2772e
Date Posted: 10 January 2007 at 7:43pm
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Hi All, Model dockyard do a new kit for the RTTL but not sure what its like and i think it is an odd scale. The only kit i ever new about was from Veron and they are rare and sell for good money on ebay. I have still got the one i built with my dad in the 70's. Deans Marine do a hull and macs mouldings will be doing a full set of 1/24th deck fittings etc. they already have a 1/12th fittings range for them Along with a plan fron John Lambert. Makes a nice model with twin motors. I'm hooked. I built a 1/12th from scratch and have been commisioned to make two versions of 2758 in 1/24th, as she was and as she is, hence the new fittings from Martin. If you need any help, just shout, although Christian is the expert, he had one! Regards Simon
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Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 10 January 2007 at 9:24pm
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Hi Simon d-zine bought 2753 off dad. What do you think of the Deans hull- my experience of them is they are well presented with nice shiny gelcoat but are way off when measured up and aren't quite the right shape when compared to photos and plans. I'm curious about 2758- was she sold? I presume so unless the original/current owner wants something to remember her by.
Simon's model underway |
Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 10 January 2007 at 9:39pm
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Some photos you may find useful; (note the line of the roof edge is not straight but slightly kinked)
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Posted By: 2772e
Date Posted: 10 January 2007 at 9:41pm
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Hi Christian, Good to hear you are still up to speed, i spoke to Chris the other day and he said he was working with you on some new hulls. By Deans own admission the hulls are not 100% accurate, transom is angled to much, therefore a bit to long and she does splay out abit amidships. I would be happier to use my own cad bulkhead plans and build her up as 2757 but the cost of getting them cnc cut and the labour involved does not always warrant the end. 2758 is most still definately around and in fine working order, although nothing like she was built. Having been refitted to a modern looking super yacht she has some interesting lines. She is up for sale i understand, about 450,000 euros but looks in excellent condition. I am making a static model as she was, in Malta, all white. and an rc model of her as she is now. If you send me an email address i will pm some pictures. Any update on your dads old one? Regards Simon
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Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 10 January 2007 at 10:11pm
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Hi Simon Thanks for the offer, address is Dad's old RTTL is owned by d-zine who is keeping the forum updated on her progress, see Target Towing Launches topic. Regards, Christian. |
Posted By: Ray King
Date Posted: 26 January 2007 at 4:58pm
| Hi, has any one a copy of the 1958 mag Model Maker with the att full plans, mine went missing when I moved house, as I have a bit of time on my hands I was hoping to make the model.please email if you can help, Regards Ray. |
Posted By: Ray King
Date Posted: 27 January 2007 at 11:38am
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2772e wrote:Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 14 February 2007 at 2:26pm
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Found a website with this version of the Vosper RTTL Mk1b. The only fault I can see is that they have given it a number from the first batch 2747-2750 which had a different superstructure. I can't for the life of me find the website again, from memory it was German or Dutch. Another senior blonde moment. Does anybody have experience of these models? DANA TWIN PROP MODEL   Correct Superstructure on Mk 1a  ------------- Advance - Runaway Quickly , Runaway Quickly |
Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 14 February 2007 at 2:53pm
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Hi d-zine Glad I'm not the only one! Assuming the model would be given a MK1b number, the only problems I see are that the ladder is where the door should be and the roof line is dead straight whereas it should be kinked, a common error on RTTL models. One of the deck vents is too far forward also. Otherwise it looks superb! Nice hull lines and looks amazing underway. Do you recall the scale? Rgds, |
Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 14 February 2007 at 8:11pm
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Christian, I will check for the web link, I really must use something more permenant than an envelope when I am recording details. ------------- Advance - Runaway Quickly , Runaway Quickly |
Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 7:58am
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Hi Christian, Better late than never, this is the link for the DANA RTTL model.
------------- Advance - Runaway Quickly , Runaway Quickly |
Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 9:10am
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Thanks d-zine, that's a big model! Very impressive installation, IC and twin electric, and all so neat and with aluminium frames too. Beautifully made motor mount. Built by an engineer this one I think. |
Posted By: rafwebfoot
Date Posted: 16 May 2007 at 1:06pm
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Hi folks, a couple of points I might mention. The pic of the 2757 model show a rather long superstructure and quite a basic mast. Also the 9ft GRP dinghy is a peculiar shape. Perhaps its the photo. Reference Verons kit, the artwork shows a MK.2 boat with a MK.1 number - I though this quite clever at the time and I still have one of the original kits (unopened) - just for sentimental reasons - silly old bugger! ------------- FAIR WINDS AND A FAVOURABLE TIDE Donald |
Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 16 May 2007 at 8:05pm
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Hi Donald I think this is a good opportunity to show off some of your work, and I know you're too modest to do it yourself so here she is;
Stunning. |
Posted By: rafwebfoot
Date Posted: 22 May 2007 at 10:23pm
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Hi Folks, this refers to the first post ref the RTTL kit by "MATY MODELARTZ" this is a Polish? company that produce cardboard and paper models. Alas she is not listed in their current catalogue. ------------- FAIR WINDS AND A FAVOURABLE TIDE Donald |
Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 23 May 2007 at 8:23pm
| There's a fellow in Brazil apparently selling sets of 4 CDs containing the whole range (420 "kits") for $19.99, there seems to be plenty of interesting small craft as well as the RTTL. There a set on e-bay right now, just type Maty Modelarz into Google for loads of hits. |
Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 17 July 2007 at 2:13pm
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Hi All, I have been trying to buy an RTTL model from e-bay for a couple of months now, so I thought I would post a couple of the near misses for comment. This one was 35 inches long and the bidding went quite high somewhere near the £100 mark. All I can see thats incorrect is the number which should be above 2751.  ------------- Advance - Runaway Quickly , Runaway Quickly |
Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 17 July 2007 at 2:18pm
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Hi Again, This model was listed at 48 inches long, what scale does that work out on? I don't think that the price went very high on this one, I just missed finishing time. Is it off plan or was there some kind of kit?  ------------- Advance - Runaway Quickly , Runaway Quickly |
Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 17 July 2007 at 2:24pm
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Hi Again, This one I actually purchased a couple of weeks ago. According to the seller her father and brother built it off plan about 30 years ago. It has a single prop and rudder, no engine ( would have been a small combustion unit) and a funny arrangement with an air pipe piercing the hull just aft of the prop? The model is 35 inches long and 10 inches wide, I will check it against the builders drawings at 1:20. Rather than being an accurate model I think that it is a close approximation of an RTTL and I will treat it accordingly. Again comments would be welcome.  ------------- Advance - Runaway Quickly , Runaway Quickly |
Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 17 July 2007 at 2:33pm
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Hi for the last time this session, I purchased another model from the same seller on e-bay. The hull profile is similar but not the same, possible built from the same plan and modified. The hull is again 35 inches long, the main difference is the lower chine which is consistent with a war period boat. After talking with rafwebfoot the concensus was that it was at least part Thornycroft in design. The seller mentioned that her father who built the model worked at Thornycrofts during and after the war. Comments again please.  ------------- Advance - Runaway Quickly , Runaway Quickly |
Posted By: rafwebfoot
Date Posted: 17 July 2007 at 3:28pm
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Hi, 2507 was a Mk.1 Thornycroft HSL - 67ft O/A. The model bears a very slight resemblence topsides, but the hull is more BPC than Thorny. The scoop on the RTTL was the inlet for water cooling the engine, there shoul be an outlet on the side or transon to exhaust the heated water. Fair winds, Donald ------------- FAIR WINDS AND A FAVOURABLE TIDE Donald |
Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 17 July 2007 at 3:37pm
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Hi, I don't suppose somebody out there has pictures and or drawings showing the Thornycroft HSL's. There is an outlet on the transom of the boat, the engine is a single cylinder unit and has ENYA on part of the casing. Thank you for the information Donald. ------------- Advance - Runaway Quickly , Runaway Quickly |
Posted By: 2772e
Date Posted: 17 July 2007 at 6:41pm
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2754 is the Veron Vosper RTTL version, comes out smaller than 1/24th i have a set of original model plans if you want to restore her? My dad and i built one in the 70's and she is still in a cabinet upstairs, still runs well. Regards Simon |
Posted By: rafwebfoot
Date Posted: 17 July 2007 at 7:26pm
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Hi D-Zine I have lots of drawings of the 67ft Thornycroft and I have been trying to upload some pics but all mine are far too large for the server to accept - will try and get them downsized. I reckon your 2754 was built from the Vic Smeed plan in the Model Maker which was to 1-24th scale and would make the model 34" long. Fair winds Donald ------------- FAIR WINDS AND A FAVOURABLE TIDE Donald |
Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 17 July 2007 at 8:13pm
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Hi Donald, Just measured at 34 3/8th inches. I will take some detailed photo's and post tomorrow. Thanks again. ------------- Advance - Runaway Quickly , Runaway Quickly |
Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 18 August 2007 at 12:35pm
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Follow this link to "YOUTUBE" for a video of a model of 2757 being put through its paces. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMwJ1y2mob0 - www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMwJ1y2mob0 ------------- Advance - Runaway Quickly , Runaway Quickly |
Posted By: Pioneer
Date Posted: 19 August 2007 at 9:54am
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Great shots of a lovely model - thanks d-zine ------------- Pioneer - Forum Moderator |
Posted By: 2772e
Date Posted: 30 August 2007 at 8:46pm
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She is still for sale if anyone is interested? There is also on board video footage at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCFeZUivJMc - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCFeZUivJMc Regards Simon |
Posted By: Pathfinder
Date Posted: 31 August 2007 at 8:10am
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Hi Simon, Would love to have her for the BMPT collection, but the price will proably preclude that happening..? ------------- Pathfinder - Forum Moderator |
Posted By: 2772e
Date Posted: 31 August 2007 at 8:31am
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I thought that when you lost the site all the artifacts etc went back to their owners? Where are you now, i would love to visit again, was always a good day out. PM me with an offer. The alternative is if you can arrange a suitable display case i will let you display until she does sell? She's in the garage at the moment getting dusty and i dont want her to get knocked or broken. mailto:simon.beament@btinternet.com - simon.beament@btinternet.com Regards Simon |
Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 31 August 2007 at 4:07pm
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There is currently what looks like a model of an RSL for sale on Ebay, look for the following Item Number 270160655401 Size 43" x 12.5" This item has 6 days to go.  ------------- Advance - Runaway Quickly , Runaway Quickly |
Posted By: Coelacanth
Date Posted: 17 October 2007 at 5:38am
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Hello all. I'm a new member of the forum but been a scale modeller for far more years then I care to remember ;-) I'm about to depart from the tugboat scene and try my hand at something with more zip and chosen the Vosper RTTL 2757 (only because I have a few pics of her at Hendon!) How reliable are Vic Smeed's drawings (MM plan # 530). If they are off scale at all can anayone recommend a source of really accurate drawings and general arrangements details? I intend to make my model to either 1:15 or 1:20 scale but the size will be determined by what motor I finally decide on. My sons tell me I am my worst enemy when it comes to scale detail so I'm looking to make something really authentic. BTW, Donald's model of 2757 is truly awesome. Thanks and regards.
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Posted By: Pioneer
Date Posted: 17 October 2007 at 7:52am
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Hello 'Coelacanth' Welcome aboard shipmate. You have chosen to model a type of craft that has many supporters on this site and I am confident that you will find your answers here. Keep 'popping' back - meanwhile can you Post a picture of your 'efforts' so far? - maybe you can give regular updates on your progress as you get down to the modelling of RTTL 2757. Best of luck Rob. ------------- Pioneer - Forum Moderator |
Posted By: rafwebfoot
Date Posted: 17 October 2007 at 8:39am
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Hi 'Coelacanth' Nice to have you on board. Vic Smeeds drawing of 2753(Ithink) is as accurate as you will ever need. I can't recall if he shows the true frame shape or the flatter simpler shape for ply skinning. I hold loads of drawings of the class and if you have any problems we like minded modellers will help in any way we can. Regards Donald RAF MARINE CRAFT HISTORIAN ------------- FAIR WINDS AND A FAVOURABLE TIDE Donald |
Posted By: Coelacanth
Date Posted: 18 October 2007 at 9:15pm
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Thank you rafwebfoot and Pioneer, I may have need to call on you when it comes to details of 2757. In the interim this old coelacanth is desperately trying to complete his tugbotat 'magnum opus'. I do have some pics of various models I've made but do you really want pics of tugs and other boats on this dedicated website? Perhaps I could e-mail them to one of you and pass the buck as to what to show? Regards, ------------- Rob |
Posted By: rafwebfoot
Date Posted: 19 October 2007 at 6:25am
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Hi Coelacanth I am always keen to se other modellers work, by all means e-mail me some pics. mailto:rafwebfoot@aol.com - rafwebfoot@aol.com
------------- FAIR WINDS AND A FAVOURABLE TIDE Donald |
Posted By: Coelacanth
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 4:14am
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Posted By: Coelacanth
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 4:17am
Good day Donald et al, I've just received the Vic Smeed plans and look forward to begin cutting and building. I've decided on a 1:20 scale so that my ageing fingers have room to 'fiddle'! I have also received some photostats from RAF Hendon but they are to a small scale and not very clear so I may be shouting for help when it comes to detail stuff.
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Posted By: 2772e
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 7:43am
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Hi Rob, I have built 2754 (Veron Vosper Kit), 2772e scratch 1/24th and 2757 scratch 1/12th. I am currently undertaking a model of 2758 1/24th in Malta spec for Paul, he actually ownes her now. I have pictures from Hendon and have also copies of the original hull drawrings from Grenwich. I have converted to dxf and pdf . They form the bulkheads and keel and can be rescaled. The Vic Smeed plan whilst good gives general arrangement and is not acurate for 2757. If you want to make in 1/24th scale i am in the proces of having a full set of fittings made commercially available. Deck hatch, french vents, air intake, exhausts, df loop etc. If you go to http://www.macsmouldings.co.uk - www.macsmouldings.co.uk you can see them in 1/12th. Whilst my models are not 100% accurate they make ggod viewing and run well. If you want pictures please email me. Regards Simon |
Posted By: mickrik
Date Posted: 18 November 2008 at 8:38pm
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if anybody is after plans for the r ttl vosper phil smith will sellyou a set of the original vernon plans i have the adress if wanted ------------- happy to meet you all |
Posted By: rafwebfoot
Date Posted: 19 November 2008 at 10:14am
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Hi again
if any one is interested I hold over 40 original Vosper drawings for the Mk.1.,1A.,and Mk.2 these include lines, construction, GAs and lots of other details including construction drawings for both types of superstructures and mods. I can have them copied at cost. ------------- FAIR WINDS AND A FAVOURABLE TIDE Donald |
Posted By: rttlfan
Date Posted: 12 June 2009 at 1:46pm
| Hi Donald, I am trying to source alternative plans to build a 1:18 scale Vosper 68' similar to the RAF Launch 2757 at the Hendon Museum. I have obtained the Vic Smeed 1:32 plan and after a lot of study it's clear that apart from many innaccuracies in both hull and superstructure, this plan when enlarged will only multiply these errors and lacks the additional frame/sections I need to build accurately at this larger scale. Can I say that your model is superb. I do realise that I am respnding to your post many months later and hope that you can help me in obtaining the builder's plans for this fine craft. My brother flew 1000 hrs on Lightnings at Binbrook in his youth and he recently took me to Hendon and I was amazed when I saw 2757 but dissappointed later to learn that grp model hulls are only available at 1:32. I have built two 49" grp hull Perkasa in the past and although the hulls are a very poor representation of the original these larger model hulls can carry a couple of large gel batteries and achieve planing speeds with some endurance. |
Posted By: barnacle
Date Posted: 04 August 2009 at 9:27pm
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found this whilst looking for something else.. http://www.modelboats.co.uk/news/article.asp?a=529 - www.modelboats.co.uk/news/article.asp?a=529 ------------- |
Posted By: john w elsy
Date Posted: 13 February 2010 at 7:55pm
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Hi there, A plea for help please - I am in the process of building the RTTL2751 and I am in desparate need of some photographs or information about the open bridge on these vessels. I am working from a modified Vic Smead plan - along with an awful lot of photographs (courtesy of Christian) but so far no photographs show any detail of the open bridge.
Yours
aye John
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Posted By: mickrik
Date Posted: 13 February 2010 at 8:22pm
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if you write too the raf museum in hendon they supplied me with photo copys of of there boat they have at the museum hope this is of help ------------- happy to meet you all |
Posted By: john w elsy
Date Posted: 13 February 2010 at 8:29pm
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Hi there, thank you very much - I shall do that straight away.
Yours aye
john
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Posted By: 2755
Date Posted: 13 February 2011 at 12:09pm
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Hi all,.,.im new on here & found this site by chance,,As a boy living around the east london area my dad use to take me to hendon,,we was always lurking around the mighty vosper outside,.,.My dad was into model boats & use to take his to a lake in leytonstone,.call wansted lake,.also i remember going to victoria park in hackney to watch the model boats in one of the two swimming pools there.,They use to have a straight running contest which is where we first see two RTTL"s,.both sisters.,one being 2755 the other being either 2754 or 2756,These were 68" long,.,both had cycle master engines with a green water jacket around the barrel,.I remember him wanting one of them....
After some time 2755 turned up at wansted lake fitted out with two channel Mc gregga push button system,,.Anyway i was two young to remember what deal was done but 2755 became ours! ,.,..,this was back in the mid 1970s.,,.,.I still have it to this day,.still running the cycle master,.,.when times were hard around 5 yrs ago i put it on ebay but after one day pulled it off as i just coudnt sell it,.I also remember him wanting the HSL hants & dorset from the film the sea shall not have them & locating the bloke that made the hull for 2755,.a guy called eric allen in harlow essex,.anyway the build didnt happen & the new hull was sold to a frend how built a replica of the hendon RTTL2757.,It had a jap engine but was never up to the job & with 2755 now looking worse for wear 57 was re-engined with the cycle master from 2755.,,.i will post pics during the week of them both,.,.DOES anyone remember the straight running days over victoria park,.or does anyone know what happend to the sister of 2755.,,.?
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