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Printed Date: 26 March 2026 at 7:57pm


Topic: HSL 2625
Posted By: BoatBird
Subject: HSL 2625
Date Posted: 06 March 2007 at 8:07pm

Sadly lying in Billy's Yard Limassol (yard belonging to a guy called Nicos Billos).

Wood very sun-bleached, all paint gone and only the hull remains. I have taken in excess of 50 photos of various photos of her- but I would love to find out more of her history if anyone knows it!

View of the deck from the stern. She is still strong enough to walk on (with care!) but daylight can be seen through the timbers where she has been drying out for so long. It was only through close inspection that I saw her ID number- paint has long since disappeared but tracings of the numbers are still visible on the port bow.

Engine room is empty apart from an electrical conduit. There is a small enclosure behind the engine room and one large room forwards with several smaller rooms leading off. In the bow (not right at the front) the fuse box is still there!

Wheelhouse shows remains of perspex windows with holes for the 'Everclear's.

Hull is double-diagonal planked mahogany (I have a slither of wood on my table at home! Hubby confirmed my thought about it being mahogany). I cannot see her keel or tell what wood her supporting timbers are. She looks to be around the 20m mark but I will measure her sometime next week and confirm this.

On the port side mid-ships there is a large hole- worryingly circular!

Through hull holes (ie what are supposed to be there) have been blocked with pieces of wood (reason unknown).

She is in a very sorry state- very dry from the relentless Cypriot sun!

If anyone would like any more photos of her, please PM me!




Replies:
Posted By: northeastuser
Date Posted: 08 March 2007 at 9:51am

More pictures please!Big ones!



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Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 08 March 2007 at 7:28pm

But they are too big to post here  my camera is 4mp and the photos end up huge if I don't chop them down!

Email them to you???



Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 08 March 2007 at 7:47pm

As requested- pictures of the interior! First one.. taken from inside the hole on the port side looking at the stairs leading upstairs and the cabin/ room on the starboard side. As you can see the stairs have been removed making it hard to access the wheelhouse. The floorboards have also been removed so you have to watch where you tread!

As you come through the port side, a door way on the starboard side leads through to the bow. The small door way straight ahead leads to the crew cabin (?) while behind the wall to the left there is a small room.

The engine room looking through the stern deck. I would guess that the wooden box on the right (port side) held some sort of generator hence the electrical conduit (maybe?). I'm not sre where access to the engine room is/was- maybe just straight down through deck? It looks like the walls either end are water-tight bulkheads.

I will post a few more over the weekend, but anyone who wants more, please PM me!

(edited because spelling was awful!!!!!!!!!)



Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 08 March 2007 at 8:09pm
Photo file is 2Kb! EEk! No-where can email something that big surely???


Posted By: northeastuser
Date Posted: 08 March 2007 at 8:44pm
how about ziping them up?winzip

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Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 10 March 2007 at 7:20am
That was the zipped version! Unzipped its 3kb!!!! I think I'm going to have to do parts a b c and possibly d to get them emailed!


Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 11 March 2007 at 10:32am
Hi,

If  they're JPG files, you'll get hardly any compression when zipped.
If you send me a  few of them, I'll put them up for you at bigger that the 50k  limit so everyone can see them.

Cheers

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Don


Only a number, not even a name. How shall posterity hear of thy fame?


Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 11 March 2007 at 4:29pm
I think I will have to add the photos to my website or something!


Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 11 March 2007 at 5:27pm

Gave up trying to email them- they can now be seen online at http://picasaweb.google.com/katcress/2625 - http://picasaweb.google.com/katcress/2625

I am in the process of uploading and commenting on the images- I have uploaded them full size- you are more than welcome to download them for your own pleasure. If you want to use them on any website please let me know and just give me a credit (please??)



Posted By: marksaab
Date Posted: 14 March 2007 at 9:15am

Hi

Really interesting pics on your google site!

I guess they are right when they say too much sun is bad

According to Phil Simons in the same yard there should also be an Elco and a Scimitar class boat!

Mark



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Only yield when you must, never "give up the ship," but fight on to the last "with a stiff upper lip!"


Posted By: northeastuser
Date Posted: 14 March 2007 at 10:46am
she almost looks savable!

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Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 17 March 2007 at 7:05am
Originally posted by marksaab marksaab wrote:

According to Phil Simons in the same yard there should also be an Elco and a Scimitar class boat!

Mark

Christian PM'd me to tell me this- any ideas on the shape of the boats I am looking for? I hope to return to Limassol next week but it may be the week after!



Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 22 March 2007 at 3:03pm
Just heard back from the Admiralty to say that HSL was definately used by the RAF and they will be will getting back to me with more about her service history


Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 03 April 2007 at 12:12am
Just got a reply today from the RAF Historical records... I had to email the guy my UK postal address so I guess he may have something to send me! Hope it arrives soon! Will keep you posted


Posted By: S R Wilson
Date Posted: 03 April 2007 at 9:02pm
If there is an Elco in the same yard does anyone know what condition it's in? Might it be saveable and are there any known examples in the UK. I assume not, unless you know something diffrent........

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SRW
"Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy" WSC.



Posted By: jimmy p
Date Posted: 03 April 2007 at 9:56pm
 Think theres half a burnt Elco in a siding somewhere. If any more are known to lets hear about them. A rare beast indeed if there are any

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A boat is a hole in the water surrounded by wood, into which one throws money


Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 04 April 2007 at 12:20am
What does an Elco look like?? If I know what I am looking for I can keep an eye open next time I am at Billys Yard


Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 04 April 2007 at 1:56pm

 

Hi Boatbird

It's a Higgins (rather than an Elco) and it looks just like this, courtesy of Ron Young. We were wondering if she has any markings visible to help find her original ID. The other boat is believed to be a Scimitar Class, there's a section about them on the forum and on the home page under Select A Boat.

Regards, Christian. 



Posted By: jimmy p
Date Posted: 04 April 2007 at 6:31pm

Now theres a sad sight.

 Are those packards hanging out the back?



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A boat is a hole in the water surrounded by wood, into which one throws money


Posted By: S R Wilson
Date Posted: 04 April 2007 at 8:06pm

Jimmy,

If they are Packards I know where I would like to put them! I think you might guess.



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SRW
"Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy" WSC.



Posted By: jimmy p
Date Posted: 05 April 2007 at 12:47am

I hear you! If you squint at the pic it looks like a rocker cover poking out of the side of the port motor, thats what got me wondering.

 



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A boat is a hole in the water surrounded by wood, into which one throws money


Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 06 April 2007 at 10:05pm
Hmm as far as I can remember there were no boats like that in the immediate vicinity.... most of them are covered with tarps or old Greek style fishing type boats....

When I'm back in Cyprus I will have to take a look and keep you posted but for now- I have part of the service history of 2625!

Very nice gentleman from the Air Historical Branch sent me a photocopy of AM Form 564 for HSDL 2625... which apparently is the movement card! I can't scan it at the moment as the scanner doesn't appear to be connecting to the PC!

Across the top 'H.S. Launch' is crossed through with 'Launch Towing Target' written underneath. And she's listed as being 68' ft long.
It also has 'Type 16F/92 MAT' crossed through with '16F/144' written under.

Columns read left to right Station; Date Taken on Charge; Voucher No.; Engine; Condition; Repairs

First pale line reads ' rud 5/43; 1106; Napier Buliders British Powerboat Co.Ltd.'
So I guess she was built in May 1943?!

238 M.U.; 1.7.43; 1884; P1240
Mombasa cancelled 1924B
219 A.S.R.U; 29.7.43; 1924; C. 892 (crossed through)
M.E. rud 5/44 1106 (faint)
210 A.S.R.U.; 1.2.44; 2065; S. 1241
207 A.S.R. M.E.; rad 5/44; 1106; TE 5357
MEDME Census 31.12.45; C. 890
Earmarked for target towing; P. 763
Launch MEDME. AK 1132; C. (P?) 764
'??' 23/7/46 A.784 200/45; S. 1374
No 137 M.U. Malta return 3/3/48 refers; C. 1868
see later dated 4.1.51 on A 73420 ; S. 1815
re conversion

So can we guess that she saw service in the Med at Malta and was converted to something else or decommissioned in 1951??
Does anyone know what the station codes mean??
It looks like she was scheduled to go to India... with???? why???

Too many unanswered questions there but a fascinating glimpse all the same!


Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 06 April 2007 at 11:02pm
Okay, so I have found out the following..

MedMe- she was in the 'Meditteranean and Middle East'
MU- Maintenance Unit
ASRU- Air Sea Rescue Unit
ME- Middle East

Interesting but not much help!!!!!!!!!!!


Posted By: tramontana
Date Posted: 07 April 2007 at 7:22pm
Hello b.b the Greek marine police training base at Limassol was formally an r.a.f. marine craft base, it was shot up by the Turks during the invasion! 2625 is as she was in her r.a.f. days there has been no work done on her to convert her to a motor yacht. I have done a google on the area and it looks like it has been cleaned up since I was there, the higgins pt boat was fitted with Davy Paxman twin turbo V12 diesels as you seethe turbo intakes are in the engine room so she must have had some very large engine room inlet fans to keep them fed, I understood from the Captain of Micheal Leptos's boat (Hyperion ex r.a.f. 63ft g.s.p.) who drove me around that she had been used for smuggling.


Posted By: jimmy p
Date Posted: 08 April 2007 at 4:10am

My mistake about Packards. Hard to tell with 50k pic limit. Paxman tt v12's eh? if the yard owner fancies donating them to Ambra/506, we would be most grateful.

 Have to admit its sad seeing a PT boat like that, even the Americans(of 70s cadillac design shame) couldnt make a Scott-Payne design look ugly. Not quite as pretty as a whaleback but a nice boat nonetheless. Shame theres so few left & doesnt look good for this one being seaworthy again. Damm i hate this pick your battles thing but guess we cant save them all



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A boat is a hole in the water surrounded by wood, into which one throws money


Posted By: tramontana
Date Posted: 08 April 2007 at 9:33pm
Hello Jimmy p it is a shame about her I understand from jerry in the  States she is a early Higgins type as the gun tubs are alongside the bridge whereas the later one's had the tub's about 3ft further aft. It seem's to have been a very large and expensive conversion to have been done  privately, I have the feeling that it was done by as yet an unknown  Navy who owned her at one time post war.  I have a close up of the engine's if you want me to e-mail it to you, but as I took the photo's some years ago she may have now gone, although a lot of old boats had been lying around for a long time like 2625. my photo's are too large for the forum apparently. 


Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 02 May 2007 at 12:37pm
Further information-

Dear Mrs Cresswell

I do apologise for the delay in sending a reply to your email dated 6th April 07

I have managed to obtain the following information for you:

She was built by the British Power Boat Company, Yard No not known

Taken on charge by the RAF 01.07.43

She was converted in the Middle East or Malta in 1949 He armaments were removed, turrets removed and re-classified as a Rescue Target Towing Launch and operated by the RAF Marine Branch. As she was either Malta based or somewhere in the Middle East she would have been painted white.

Being built of wood and based in the Middle East a lot of wear and tear took place.

She was STRICKEN OFF CHARGE   27.11.59 at Xoros-Middle East

The boat has been in private hands since this date

I will try and seek further information for you in the next edition of our NEWSLETTER, this will be around March time next year.

Thanking you for your interest

Tony Campling


Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 13 May 2007 at 12:14pm
Scanned the work movement card....



Posted By: rafwebfoot
Date Posted: 18 May 2007 at 12:56pm

Hi folks, allow me to unravel the Form 564 - RAF Marine Craft Movement Record.

The Type - refers to the stores reference. 16F/92 was for a 68ft HSL and the 16F/144 refers to her after conversion to an RTTL Mk.1.

Station - this is where she was allotted to (often cancelled as circumstances changed) sometimes followed by a 'received date'.

Date - this is the allotted date and not the actual transfer date.

Voucher - this was the authority to move the craft and the format changed about three times during WW2.

Engines- gives the makers serial Nos. P=port S=starboard C=centre.



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FAIR WINDS AND A FAVOURABLE TIDE
Donald


Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 18 May 2007 at 2:37pm
Ahhh that makes more sense! Thanks rafwebfoot!!

(and an RTTL is..... target towing launch????)

So the allotted date is when it was planned to be moved but might have been moved earlier or later?

Crumbs, she went through some engines! Was that normal?


Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 18 May 2007 at 2:46pm
Hi BoatBird

Rescue (and) Target Towing Launch.




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Advance - Runaway Quickly , Runaway Quickly


Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 19 May 2007 at 2:29pm
ta d-zine, shame there aren't any photos of 2625 in action- would be great to see her in all her glory!


Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 19 May 2007 at 5:04pm
Hi Boatbird,

Glad to be of service, I am afraid I cannot remember the origin for this image.





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Advance - Runaway Quickly , Runaway Quickly


Posted By: rafwebfoot
Date Posted: 20 May 2007 at 4:55pm

Hi folks,

yes engine changes on RAF craft were very common.  Bearing in mind the restricted engine room space, engines had to be removed for major repair and planned replacement, so another one was dropped into place. The later Sea Griffons were not much better than the Napiers with regards reliablilty - aero engines in marine craft are not the greatest.



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FAIR WINDS AND A FAVOURABLE TIDE
Donald


Posted By: tramontana
Date Posted: 25 May 2007 at 2:41pm
Good photo of 2625 in action d-zine, she still has traces of the white paint on her and is in an unconverted state, the photo taken in limassol bay is near the area of beach where she now lies and must have been taken just before she was S.O.C., she is a credit to her builders B.P.B. to have lasted so long after being beached in such harsh conditions and just left to rot, I think she was siezed and her Owner put in prison after doing a bit of "Midnight Trading"


Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 27 May 2007 at 6:57am
Oooh d-zine thank you so much for the photo! It's great to see 2625 in original condition and working!

There aren't many traces of paint on the hull anymore- from one small sliver of wood I managed to see grey paint but not white- mostly she's bare timbers now. It's true about her being seized- that probably accounts for the bloody great big hole in the side!!

Can I put the photo on my website and picasaweb album??? It's got your name at the bottom which I'd leave.... please????



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