Hi there,

Just wondering if members are going to get any news about what is happening with regard to the trust? ie developements at Poole etc. Also although not directly anything to do with the trust I know, any news on progress with the S130?, just that I was reading a very good book yesterday about the e-boats, written in 1980, with some great photos of S and R boats, called "E boats and coastal craft", will get more details if interested. I know some do not like the idea of restoring such a craft, I can see why, but if done in the right context I personally do not have problem. Anyway, look forward to hearing anything in due course.

JohnK

Hi,

Ah, well, OK I was not quite wanting to stir such feelings! agree that people are more important than things! but apart from that, just saying it would be good to save more of our marine heritage.

Johnk 

Gentlemen,

The trust news letter due out before the end of the month.

S130 belongs to EISCA now, and needs about 4 Million pounds worth of restoration.

Hi Pathfinder,

Many thanks for that, look forward to the newsletter. Understand S130 not on the trust books now, but good initial effort to keep her in one piece, 4 million! well, would love to see the breakdown on where the money is going! she is just a hull I know, thus is it in very poor condition ie needs a lot of complicated and thus exspensive repair I guess.

JohnK

over the past few day's I have been looking at the comments on the site and I have to say the word's "ethnic cleansing" were inappropriate when just talking about boat's, the  reality is that you are unlikely to be able to save boat's which are effectivley just hulk's, it is just not practicable and some member's really need a reality check if they think it is possible, the best chance of saving a boat is a one that has been lived on like Sungo, even then to put them back into as they were is not within the most people's personel budget bearing in mind the apparent costing of S130 at 4million, Shame about 506 but we all have to learn the hard way we are after all only human. mind you 4Million would go a long way in saving a number of boat's like Clives rather than just one boat. Does the British in B.M.P.T mean British built or does it mean Country?

I normally get things wrong, so here goes!

BMPT- British Military Powerboat Trust. ie boats built in Britain, for example Thornycroft, Whites, Vosper, British powerboat co, etc etc.

I suppose that this then includes most things deemed of interest to those who are interested in those manufactures, for example American, Dutch,German, etc.

for example you may find a Capri for sale in a Cortina owners magasine!

As for the term ethnic cleansing, although it does not offend me (as it could others) I find it rude and think that the term should be understood before it is used (unless it was)

The original question was

“Does the British in B.M.P.T mean British built or does it mean Country”

My point was that it meant nothing but the reproduction of the originals company name. e.g. it was just a word.

If you take the question to mean

“What nationality of vessel is the BMPT interested in?

Then the answer is in the following quote from the BMPT website.

“The British Military Powerboat Trust has been established to create a national Exhibition Centre which will display the innovation, development and history of the high-speed craft used by the British armed forces in the 20th century, and bring them to life. The emphasis will be firmly upon the chance for all to experience the dynamism of the real working object.”

However the trust is obviously not completely narrow minded hence the inclusion of s130. Though perhaps she merited inclusion by the fact of being owned by the British armed forces after the war?

So Clive that means we are both right!!

Yes I know what the term means. The words do not insult or bother me nor do I consider words to be rude. The act of course is an affront to humanity.

I take great pride in the fact that I live in a country where another can tell me that my use of an expression is wrong. But if the intention is to prevent me from using the expression in that context again id urge the other party to consider what the suppression of speech means.

The fact that you feel able to point out to me that I’m wrong makes me smile. If we were in a country where cleansing of any sort was practiced id be surprised if any of us would dare be as outspoken.

I’m glad that we live in a country where Wheelspanner is comfortable enough to tell me that he find my use of the term inappropriate.

My personal opinion is that they are just words and do not diminish the serious of the act.

sorry if I came acoss as confusing but I did not say that you were right or wrong, that is for you to decide.

'Just words' can cause untold problems if misunderstood.

BMPT- British Military Powerboat Trust.

BPBCo- British Powerboat Company.

If there were no surviving e-boats we could  not show the next generation what our boats shot at!

I agree, you did not. I did lol.

However you did say that YOU normaly get things wrong.I was just saying you were right!

Though you just managed to prove me wrong! dam

But in my defence, if you look up the term soapbox (and I prefixed my ‘rant’ with a notice that it was a soapbox. E.G. *Soap box mode*)

in ‘,Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia,’ it says

“The term is also used metaphorically to describe a person engaging in often flamboyant impromptu or unofficial public speaking, as in the phrases "He's on his soapbox",

The word flamboyant means

“Given to ostentatious or audacious display”

Therefore any word or combination of words in that statement designed to elicit an emotional response and sway the reader is acceptable and arguably expected.

Hi There,

Indeed, although I would like to see the E-boat underway, for 4 million we could have an albeit replica now, Fairmile D as an example of the ultimate long MTB. Using the experiece of existing vessels, MTB102 and Medusa, it could be a great training excersise in boat building techniques and skills I believe. I think it's great there is so much interest shown in this forum, but...can we keep it as civil as possible and constuctive, by all means express opinions but there is no need to get personal.

Johnk

i agree as well, some vessels should just be preserved not restored completly.

 A few years ago I was delivering a yacht to Corfu. About an hour after exiting the Lefkas canal we had a close encounter with an E Boat, four people aboard, going like the clappers. The next day we where directed to a berth just ahead of her.  I made a few enquires about her, with the idea of getting aboard to have a nose around. Unfortunately we had a plane to catch next morning. So if you are in Greek waters she is about, it's not a Ghost ship.

                                      John A. 

MTB71 is a "daughter" of MTB102 which was DuCanes's masterpiece and the forerunner of all the Vosper Boats through to the Braves. It took  20 years to better the design and increase trhe performance and we at the MTB102 Trust are very proud of the fact that we are managing to keep her operational through our own efforts alone.

£4m to restore a boat? Must be the gravy train at the station. Most of that will end up in other pockets and not the boat. Phil Clabburn, the Wizard and I all have much the same view on the cost of restoration and the figures are nowhere near that level.

Phew, I was wondering where to get 4 million from,  how far do we recon 1 million would go towards Medusa? I can see how things mount up if you work from one end to the other replacing everything.

I don't think I am totally green but do realise I have very much to learn. This said, and I also know it is not my business, but where does that much money go?

that said I could see golden galleon costing that.

Hi There,

Agree with tramontana, high profile projects as he mentions are just burning through HLF money like it was going out of fashion. I guess the D from burnt timbers would be me, well, I know the reality of things, believe me working with another historic ship!. But this unfortunaley is what inspires me and others to try at least, I would say nearly every historic ship that we have, started with a few wanting to save it and many saying don't bother, why bother, it's impossible etc etc including the one I am working on now. I don't say just keep going regardless, there has to be some limit and sadly a number of vessels have hit that limit.  Said all this before, "we" need to try and sort what if anything more we can or should save or just say we are happy with what we have and that's it.

JohnK