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Topic: 63’ HSL 132?
Posted By: clive
Subject: 63’ HSL 132?
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 10:53pm

I have a list of fates of the 63' BPB's which were given the generic name HSL. the first 63' built was MASB 22 (build no 1561) which was given the service number 122. Given this info and the build number of '32 (1571) I assume it is fair to say that S32 had the service number 132 or was hsl 132 (not MGB 132 reclassed MTB 451).

With this in mind, assuming my info is correct can anyone find any info on HSL 132? or correct me.jjclassed MTB45132 re132 re-classed as MTB 451and built at the Hythe yard



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Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 16 August 2007 at 10:05am
Hi Clive,

No but somebody did forward this photo of ASRL 130 to me a couple of days ago.




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Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 16 August 2007 at 11:24am
Hi Clive,

Have you seen  the image of MA/SB 32 below (from Christian's Web Images site). It seems to show her as S32.




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Posted By: clive
Date Posted: 16 August 2007 at 12:16pm

Thanks Darren and Don,

I do have those photos of '32, I have assumed that the 'S' replaced the '1' when the ASDIC was installed, are there other photos of 63' HSLs with the three numbers like 130? (130 survived the war and was sold off in1946)



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Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 16 August 2007 at 1:38pm
Hi Clive,

HSL128, 129, 141 and 142 were (amongst others) all 63' Whaleback HSL's  I can dig out photos of more if you need.

Apparently, Admiralty order 931160/39 to BPB was for 64' boats but only 117-121 were completed as 64' boats. Boats 122 to 132 were completed as 63' HSL's.

(from Fast Boats and Flying Boats )


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Posted By: Christian
Date Posted: 16 August 2007 at 2:04pm

Clive, RN MA/SBs 22-39 used the 63ft Whaleback hull, as did RAF HSLs 122-190 (except the Aeromarine boats HSL 150-155 I think).

I really do not think it ever got more complicated than this, i.e. RN MA/SB 32 was certainly not the same boat as RAF HSL 132, if this is what you are trying to figure out.



Posted By: clive
Date Posted: 16 August 2007 at 2:36pm

Thanks guys,

As you say the MASB 32 and HSL 132 were probably not the same boat even though they were all 63' type 2 hulls, in all the pictures of MASBs (24 33 35 etc) there is no '1' so I realise what you are saying.

The reason for my enquiry was that in the 'pack' which Hector gave me was a few pages written out by Bernard (Bernard Cox?) which said all of theese 63' boats were called 'HSLs' wether built for ASR / MASB etc. Also all build numbers and service numbers tally, which I suppose they would anyway. I will have another read tonight.

I am trying another angle to find some history but it seems as if it is not quite working!

In saying what has just been said, is ASRL 130 as in Darrens picture not HSL 130?

 Thanks for not letting me wander off down the wrong path!

 



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Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 16 August 2007 at 2:44pm
HSL130 is the one in the photo above. Not sure where 'ASRL' comes from. 



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Posted By: tramontana
Date Posted: 16 August 2007 at 4:23pm
British Power Boats  built numbers 107 to 176 but they were 71ft boats powered by 3 packards, they were built in 1942 as M.G.B's and some were fitted with 2off 18inch T.T. whilst being built others had them retro fitted in 1943. so she would not have a "1" added to make her 132 for the Navy.  S32 was a 63ft "utility" hull type and by that I mean for the Navy she had 2 Napiers and for R.A.F. 3 napiers, she may well at some stage have had the 3rd napier fitted as it would not be a big job for a boatyard as she was already set up in her hull  design to cater for the  3rd engine, I think she has always carried S32 to save confusion as Vosper also built a 32 in 1940 as an M.T.B. which also carried the hull number 32. She may well have been used on A.S.R. duties but I do not think she was given an R.A.F. designation, I still am of the opinion Clive that she was a "special" boat because she had Asdic fitted and having Asdic fitted meant she could be used for all sorts of "special operations" where depth readings were required including previously unknown  depths for invasion charts


Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 16 August 2007 at 4:24pm
Hi Clive,

I have just been looking at the RAF Lincolnshire website

  http://www.raf-lincolnshire.info/22mcu/22mcu.htm - www.raf-lincolnshire.info/22mcu/22mcu.htm (can't get the hyperlink to work)

when I noticed that during 1942 MASB 29 is credited with 1 aircrew rescued. Between 1940-1942  22MCU (Grimsby) operated 63ft whaleback HSL's 131,139,141,142,144 & 188 not all at the same time.

Was MASB 29 being utilised as an HSL will retaining the MASB title or was this just a one off?

Also noted from the Polish MTB/MGB website (Freelance) that the Polish boats carried an "S" prefix.

Don ASRL is just my invention, on my image filing system all HSL's RTTL's are simply stored in a folder titled ASRL.

Sorry for the confusion.


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Posted By: Pioneer
Date Posted: 16 August 2007 at 4:42pm
Hyper link - running now?

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Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 16 August 2007 at 5:03pm
Clive,

I am afraid I cannot remember the source for this photo.




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Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 16 August 2007 at 5:05pm
Hi Pioneer,

Thanks for the Hyperlink, do you do a master class or have any handy tips.


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Posted By: Pioneer
Date Posted: 16 August 2007 at 5:18pm

I am not really a 'nerd' - I just see that sometimes the http:// bit either needs a space after the previous sentence or completely removed to be replaced by www.

Regds



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Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 16 August 2007 at 5:42pm
And an interesting view of HSL 189




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Posted By: d-zine
Date Posted: 16 August 2007 at 5:43pm
I will try to follow your example master.

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Posted By: clive
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 2:28pm

I have a hand written report from the red listsof the service of what is said to be HSL 132 which had been assumed to be  MASB 32 ( I think that makes sense) I now appreciate that they are different boats, the interesting thing is that I have a small bit of data regarding MASB 32 which says the completion date and pay off dates are the same but disposal date is different as is the date she was sent to Poole.

I am a bit sketchy on my info as it is at home, the annoying thing is from the little info I thought I had on her, I now have even less!



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Posted By: tramontana
Date Posted: 17 August 2007 at 2:30pm
What I forgot to mention in my previous comments re S32 was that as they did not draw much water when they were just tootling along  and fitted with Asdic they were also used as Coastal Convoy Navigation Leaders (a bit like oboe fitted Lancasters) to seek out  the best path for the Convoy which sailed inside of the Coastal Minefields around Britain. Again, that could be said to be "Special Duties" which is most probably why she still carried her Depth Charge's and the scramble net to help ships crews if their vessel was sunk by a coastal U Boat which had got inside the minefield ring.


Posted By: The Pom
Date Posted: 19 August 2007 at 8:58am

32 was laid down in 1939 by The British Power Boat Company at their Hythe yard. However she was not completed and launched until 24th September 1941. She was originally configured as a Motor Anti Submarine Boat, hence MASB and was given the Service Number 32. Her original Yard Number was, I think, 1571. She was subsequently configured for air sea rescue work. On page 139 of the June 1942 edition of The Motor Boat and Yachting 32 is shown with S32 painted on her foredeck. The accompanying article relates to a trip undertaken by journalists on several boats including S32. The text in part reads:

 

“These motor boats are now primarily employed by the Navy for rescuing airmen from the sea. They are of the by now familiar 63-ft Scott-Paine type, manned by two sub-lieutenants R.N.V.R. and eight naval ratings. Nearly half the hull is occupied by three Napier engines; the crew sleep aboard and the officers ashore. Working in conjunction with these craft are R.A.F. boats of the 60-ft type, their turns of sea duty alternating”

 

The article probably had to have been written in April or May to have made it into the June edition. So … it would appear that 32 had the prefix “S” very early on in her service life and whilst used for Air Sea Rescue work. I assume that this would have been before she might have been involved in any “Special Duties”. (Though to me, rescuing downed airmen was pretty special!!)

 

MASBs 22 to 32 were originally ordered as 70 foot boats with MASBs 7 to 21.

 

HSLs 122 to 133 were ordered as 64-ft boats in 1939 with the designation of High Speed Launch but were eventually built as 63 footers. (Thirty six 63-ft High Speed Launches were built at Hythe in 1941/1942)

 

In the year September 1939 to September 1940 BPBC produced 136 boats. From October 1940 to September 1941, 150 boats. October 1941 to September 1942, 112 boats. Peaking at 210 boats in the year October 1942 to September 1943.

 

The Pom



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Posted By: clive
Date Posted: 19 August 2007 at 12:19pm

Hi,

21 Sep '41 - went to southampton to be fitted with ASDIC and RT having been allocated to Dover command for air sea rescue duties under SMBA 1014 dated 17 Sep '41



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Posted By: tramontana
Date Posted: 20 August 2007 at 10:48am
For me the term "Special Duties" means operating out of the "normal" Naval Command system, rescue launches were under the remit of N.O.I.C. Dover, at what point is the third engine believed to have been fitted does anybody know? as everything I have read say's that series were built with two but in a hull designed for three which was B.P.B'S M.T.B. hull without T.Tubes but fitted with Depth Charges.


Posted By: clive
Date Posted: 21 August 2007 at 8:49pm
In the pink lists of minor war vessels in foreign waters HSL 132 operated out of the far south east. - I think clears things up!

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