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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote clive Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 July 2007 at 10:47pm

I normally get things wrong, so here goes!

BMPT- British Military Powerboat Trust. ie boats built in Britain, for example Thornycroft, Whites, Vosper, British powerboat co, etc etc.

I suppose that this then includes most things deemed of interest to those who are interested in those manufactures, for example American, Dutch,German, etc.

for example you may find a Capri for sale in a Cortina owners magasine!

As for the term ethnic cleansing, although it does not offend me (as it could others) I find it rude and think that the term should be understood before it is used (unless it was)



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The original question was

“Does the British in B.M.P.T mean British built or does it mean Country”

My point was that it meant nothing but the reproduction of the originals company name. e.g. it was just a word.

If you take the question to mean

“What nationality of vessel is the BMPT interested in?

Then the answer is in the following quote from the BMPT website.

“The British Military Powerboat Trust has been established to create a national Exhibition Centre which will display the innovation, development and history of the high-speed craft used by the British armed forces in the 20th century, and bring them to life. The emphasis will be firmly upon the chance for all to experience the dynamism of the real working object.”

However the trust is obviously not completely narrow minded hence the inclusion of s130. Though perhaps she merited inclusion by the fact of being owned by the British armed forces after the war?

So Clive that means we are both right!!

Yes I know what the term means. The words do not insult or bother me nor do I consider words to be rude. The act of course is an affront to humanity.

I take great pride in the fact that I live in a country where another can tell me that my use of an expression is wrong. But if the intention is to prevent me from using the expression in that context again id urge the other party to consider what the suppression of speech means.

The fact that you feel able to point out to me that I’m wrong makes me smile. If we were in a country where cleansing of any sort was practiced id be surprised if any of us would dare be as outspoken.

I’m glad that we live in a country where Wheelspanner is comfortable enough to tell me that he find my use of the term inappropriate.

My personal opinion is that they are just words and do not diminish the serious of the act.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote clive Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 July 2007 at 11:42pm

sorry if I came acoss as confusing but I did not say that you were right or wrong, that is for you to decide.

'Just words' can cause untold problems if misunderstood.

BMPT- British Military Powerboat Trust.

BPBCo- British Powerboat Company.

If there were no surviving e-boats we could  not show the next generation what our boats shot at!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote northeastuser Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 July 2007 at 11:59pm

I agree, you did not. I did lol.

However you did say that YOU normaly get things wrong.I was just saying you were right!

Though you just managed to prove me wrong! dam

But in my defence, if you look up the term soapbox (and I prefixed my ‘rant’ with a notice that it was a soapbox. E.G. *Soap box mode*)

in ‘,Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia,’ it says

“The term is also used metaphorically to describe a person engaging in often flamboyant impromptu or unofficial public speaking, as in the phrases "He's on his soapbox",

The word flamboyant means

“Given to ostentatious or audacious display”

Therefore any word or combination of words in that statement designed to elicit an emotional response and sway the reader is acceptable and arguably expected.

 



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote wheelspanner Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 July 2007 at 9:59am
Come on we all know what ethnic cleansing means and it is not used in deciding which boats to keep, we have to remember that allied servicemen also ended up in that process of elimination and you will find that they will not "shakehands" take it from me. As far as the E boat is concerned 4 mill is a lot of money for one boat, in my veiw I would rather spend some of it putting M.T.B. 71 (now at Hendon) back in the water and put the E boat in a museum.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote clive Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 July 2007 at 10:08am
I must agree with Wheelspanner, I think MTB 71 would be great back in the water and preserving the E boat is much more sensible.. and cost effective.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote johnk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 July 2007 at 10:23am

Hi There,

 

Indeed, although I would like to see the E-boat underway, for 4 million we could have an albeit replica now, Fairmile D as an example of the ultimate long MTB. Using the experiece of existing vessels, MTB102 and Medusa, it could be a great training excersise in boat building techniques and skills I believe. I think it's great there is so much interest shown in this forum, but...can we keep it as civil as possible and constuctive, by all means express opinions but there is no need to get personal.

 

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i agree as well, some vessels should just be preserved not restored completly.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote John A Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 July 2007 at 11:33am

 

 A few years ago I was delivering a yacht to Corfu. About an hour after exiting the Lefkas canal we had a close encounter with an E Boat, four people aboard, going like the clappers. The next day we where directed to a berth just ahead of her.  I made a few enquires about her, with the idea of getting aboard to have a nose around. Unfortunately we had a plane to catch next morning. So if you are in Greek waters she is about, it's not a Ghost ship.

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M.T.B. 71 is at Duxford, but I also have to agree with wheelspanner she appears to be a forgotten boat and she would look great in the water under power. She was one of DuCanes best and of course the forerunner to many offshore powerboat design's. Like a previous writer I am curious as to how they came to 4million to refurbish  the E-Boat and why was it given away and not sold to boost the funds of the Trust bearing mind it had not been put out on loan to the other Group.
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