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    Posted: 02 November 2007 at 11:00am
When I try to tally the British MTBs, I find two MTB-424: one was a 73-Foot White, built in 1944 and delivered to the Polish Navy, the other was the ex-PT-94, a US built boat delivered to the Royal Navy in 1943.
Has anyone an explanation for this apparent incoherence ?
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MTBs;

1-12, 14-19 British Power Boat 60ft
             20-23 Vosper 70ft flush deck 3 sold to Rumania
             24-25, 28 Thornycroft 72 ft Isottas later Packards
             26-27 Thornycroft 55ft CMB type ex Chinese interned at HK
             29-30 C&N Vosper type
             31-40 Vosper 70ft narrow
             41-48 White 70ft flush deck
             49-56 Thornycroft 75.5ft later RASC Meggido, Menin, Messines, Marne, Mons, Montauban,                             Morval, Nablus. 
             57-66 Vosper
             67-68 Thornycroft 55ft CMB type
             69-70 Vosper ex Greek order
             71-72 60ft Vosper  ex Norwegian order
             73-98 Vosper (inc 2 x 75) 
             100 ex MMS.51 British Power Boat proto
             101 White proto suspended 1940-hydrofoil fell off?
             102 Vosper proto later RASC Vimy
             103 Vosper proto stepped hull later CT05 with Packards x 2
             104-107 Thornycroft protos (?)
             108 Vosper proto destroyed on slips (& Meulan MTB 108 later MAC7)
             109 McGruer proto
             201-212 White 72ft Vosper design with Hall-Scotts later Sterlings
             213-217 Thornycroft 55ft CMB type
             218-221 narrow 70ft Vosper ex Greece order
             222-228 McClean 72ft Vosper
             229-231 McGruer Vospers
             232-235 Berthon Vospers
             236-239 C&N Vospers
             240-241 M Giles Vospers
             242-245 Vosper designs
             246-257 White Vospers type flush decks
             258 BPB 70ft ex PT9
             259-268 Elco 70ft ex PT10-19
             269-271 Higgins 81ft ex PT5-7
             273-274 Fischer 58ft ex PT3-4
             275-306 Vosper (USA)
             307-326 Elco 77ft ex PT49-58
             327-331 Thornycroft 55ft CMB type
             332-343 70ft Canadian Power Boat ex Canadian MTBs
             344-346 Thornycroft
             347-362 Vosper 70ft
             363-378 Vosper (USA)
             379, 380-395 Vosper 73ft type 1
             396-411 Vosper (USA)
             412-418 British Power Boat
             419-423 Higgins 78ft ex PT88-94 series
             424-429 White (the Polish boats)
             430-432,434-500, 502-509, 519-522 British Power Boat 71.5ft (ex MGBs up to 457)
             433 ex MGB46 ex Dutch TM51 BPB 70ft
             523-537 Vosper 73ft type 2
             538 (later 1601) prototype for Brave hull form Vosper
             539 (later 1602) Saunders Roe (Aluminium Dark Class prototype)
             601-800 Fairmile "D"
             5001-5029 Fairmile "D" mod.
     
            
          
          

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I fear that this list is wrong:
"419-423 Higgins 78ft ex PT88-94 series": there is one PT more than there are MTB.
Would you have the same list for the MGBs ?
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Yes, it appears US PTs 88 and 90-94 were transferred to the RN (89 went to the USSR) and as 6 boats need more than 5 pennant numbers you must be right. Let's see if someone comes up with the answer!  
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P.T. 93 was converted into a target towing boat when it was transferred
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Hi Tramontana, Have you the answer regarding the two MTB 424's though, as I now agree with dldldl there does seem to have been two different boats with this same pennant number, the JS White which later became Polish S-5 and the Higgins ex PT 94!
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 Hello Christian, from what I read the White boats were given the pennant numbers  424-429 but ON COMPLETION were given their Polish numbers, which means to me that they never actually took up their R.N. numbers with the Fleet and left them vacant for other use. Looking at the Higgins boats 419-423 it seems very co-incidental that they happen to have the numbers immediatly before and 94 was the last boat and 424 the first number not taken up by the White boats.
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Hi Tramontana, Could be, 'cept the White MTBs did have the RN designations to start with;

 

 

 
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Hello Christian, only whilst on the stocks apparently, however I may have found the "missing" boat it appears that a Higgins PT 198 was also transferred in 1943 along with the others previously mentioned and like PT93 was converted to Target Towing, have you any info on her or as to whether she had an R.N. number issued, I am sure she must have had?
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I think the answer to your question is already on the forum. See        http://www.bmpt.org.uk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33.

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